it's like me waking up and then all of a sudden my dog decides to bum me. in the throat. it's the same sort of thing really

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Ok then, how about the strict positioning of one's tax disc?

There are clear definitions about where exactly on your windscreen you should have this placed.

Law enforcement could be petty and argue about it if you were pulled over for another offence and they noticed it.

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Yes, I think that's a good idea.

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Exactly, they could. But they don't, because generally they're not pedantic f**kwits, unless you've given them reason to want to prosecute you. By your own statement Stan it should be two-way; you think they could fix these road signs at massive expense, in which case you're giving them full permission to prosecute you for every violation of a law you ever make.

Drop something in the street by accident, £80 fine for littering, no arguing.

Tax disc outside he swept area of the wipers, £1000 fine for failure to display, no arguing.

Someone flashes their headlights to let you out of a junction, points on your licence. According to the Highway Code, flashing of lights is to warn people of your presence, not to let them out. Someone flashed their lights, you then proceeded to pull in front of them. Dangerous driving, 3-11 points, up to 2 years in prison.

Drop a yoghurt in a supermarket, criminal damage unless you agree to settle out of court and pay for it.

You honestly think this would be a better country if that's how it was run? Because this is exactly what you're saying it should be like.

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You make a good point there Owain, and yes I do believe the country would be better run this way.

Everybody would know where they stood, and there would be no "grey areas" (which there shouldn't be anyway as a law is a law).

I know you think it sounds extreme right-wing and it probably is, but that said people would know exactly what they could and couldn't do.

This country is a joke when it comes to enforcement anyway. For example, take drink-driving. Currently, if you're convicted of this, you will be disqualified for anything from 6 months to 30 months and have to pay a fine (the amount decided by the issuing court).
This to me sounds like a punishment I wouldn't want so it's enough of a deterrent for me not to do it. However, as we see on a daily basis, it's not enough for a lot of people and do it anyway and get caught (sometimes). If law enforcement want to eradicate the problem of drink-driving completely then make the punishment 20 years in prison. No debate, no questions, no leniency, no early release. You blow over 40mg on the intoximeter at the station (I say 40mg as the Police don't prosecute until you blow over 40 even though the legal limit is 35 to allow for machine variances) then it's 20 years in prison, end of.

I really think this will stop probably 98% of the drink drivers we have today. It won't stop a few who really don't care about prison, but it WILL stop those decent citizens who decide to just have another sneeky one before driving home from the works Christmas Party.

20 years is far too long for that crime I hear you say? Try explaining to someone who has lost a loved one through somebody else drink driving and I'm sure they'll agree that their loved one has lost a *whole* life, so 20 years isn't much in way of a comparison.

My point is this. Get the Government to go out there and set some decent laws with stupidly harsh penalties, the problem would more or less be solved overnight. Look at Saudi, you steal over there, you get your hand chopped off. Guess what? People don't steal. You drop your wallet in the middle of a busy market there, and don't realise for a couple of hours? Go back and it will still be where you dropped it. Why? Because people are scared to break laws due to harsh penalties for doing so.

But instead of that, no, the Government would much rather take £80 out if your pocket if you stuck your car on your drive as you didn't want to use it for a while and then forgot to tell them when it was time for a tax renewal.

Why are they more interested in this kind of area?

Answer - It's easy money with little to no effort.

Owain a lot of your points about how "good" we have it are correct, but I think the bigger picture needs looking at before we start singing the praises of the current coalition.

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Stan, you need to move to North Korea because:

a) I think you'd love it there
I'd feel a bit safer if you weren't here
c) You can do bullet points in forums without risk of them being turned into s**t smileys

So you say that harsh punishments work? Like in the States? Oh yes, no-one in prison there. You think no-one in Saudi steals? Yes they do, because poor people need food, they steal to eat, and they end up with no hands. I really don't think that is something that would bring back the Empire somehow.

The more you type, the more I'm sure you're trolling or should be locked up. Either way, I'd be happy.

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No not because you have "an" opinion, but because you have "your" opinion. There's one thing disagreeing on things, it's another saying children should have their hands cut off for stealing and that although some of the ideas were a bit hit and miss, the Third Reich was something we should aspire to be more like.

You have the right to whatever opinion you wish to have.

Society has the right to throw you into a padded room for a while. It's a good system.

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Law still is law stan. Except the police and other agencies understand there are at times better ways to deal with things than just slapping someone with a fine. I'd had to live in your world


Don't get me started on prisons. No not all drink drivers should have an automatic sentence. That would just be silly and cost the tax payer so much more!

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That's a -1 from me, lots of the things you have said in this thread have had a modicum of sense but now you have gone way off at the deep end. Our prison systems are overcrowded as it is, so filling them to bursting with people who have commited misdemeanors at a gigantic yearly cost to the taxpayer is your answer is it? You have said you lack the understanding of the big picture to take a role in Govenment, well f**k me, with views like that I can see why. Your plans would bankrupt the country in weeks, but everything would be in lovely neatly parceled lines and all accounted for, and everyone would know where they stood. I'll tell you where they would be stood, in a f**king breadline, cos they would be homeless. I'd say we are over regulated as it is, more and stricter laws are not the answer.
Tackle the causes of alcoholisim, come down hard on vandalisim, theft and antisocial behaviour, benefit fraudsters and tax evaders, you could start with those greedy c**ts that own and operate Starbucks! But handing out ridiculous penalties that don't fit the crime is neither ethical or necessary.

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I agree about the padded room...

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What is the point in having a forum discussion, where you can air your views etc if the second you disagree with someone else you're immediately labelled as some sort of raving psychopath. It's a *discussion*, there probably is no right or wrong answers, but instead a topical discussion using individuals opinions.

If people aren't allowed to have opinions, then we may as well all be the same like 'Lemmings'. It's part of what makes life interesting, the fact that we're all different. There is no point whatsoever in having such a thing as a "discussion forum" if as soon as there is a disagreement it's pandamonium. That's the point of a discussion - to agree on some things and disagree on others.

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