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Oil overfilled that far can completely f**k a bottom end up, lucky it didn't hydraulic lock a cylinder.

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Posted 11th Aug 2013 at 00:30
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You may be expecting too much from a tepid hatch?

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  • Posted 11th Aug 2013 at 09:12
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    In my experience you get fast ones and slow ones. For example the 4-5 GTI6's my friends have get made to look silly by mine.

    A well maintained life is key. If its been thrashed and mistreated the likely hood is it may be slow.

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    Posted 11th Aug 2013 at 09:46
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    Pablito wrote:
    stan_306gti6 wrote:
    Where abouts are you based Pablito? Dunno


    Didcot mate. In between Oxford and Reading.


    Not far from me when I return to the UK.

    jimmyhackers wrote:
    your icv valve will most probably be dirty, clean that up as its a very important bit of kit when going from idle to revs.

    Even if this isn't causing the problem it is absolutely worth doing as it is a 10 minute, easy job that makes a noticable difference if it is really dirty, and on a 150k car that hasn't had it cleaned nor replaced, it will be).

    There's an FAQ for this.
    I removed the o-rings and gently wiped the whole thing down with brake cleaner and clothes, it was coated in oily filth.

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    Posted 11th Aug 2013 at 10:33
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    Post #30
    If the lambda is past it's best it will show on the MOT emissions test as ECU will go into safety mode and run rich to protect the engine. Not that expensive to replace - genuine Bosch ones from Amazon etc around £65.

    A 150K mile car may have several reasons why it isn't running its best, many of which are listed in various posts above. As there may be several contributing causes, it may take a bit of work replacing several defective bits or making adjustments to see an improvement.

    But agree with comment above, after regularly driving something with 400bhp, something with 167bhp isn't going to set the world on fire.

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    Posted 11th Aug 2013 at 16:05
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    Hey guys. I checked the receipts and it shows that the lambda has been swapped out less than a few years ago so i am assuming that it should still be ok?

    My mate cleaned out the ICV and she idles fine now and she was dropping below 1k revs when the clutch was depressed and braking from speed to standstill.. like at a T-junction or something, but this seems to have stopped since it was cleaned.

    Another friend who works for Peugeot said that oil in the manifold is, and was a pretty common fault with the gti's and he has ordered a couple of valves which he says will sort that out no problem.

    Full oil swap and flush tomorrow and a new filter.. swap said valves and hopefully that will start to get her back on the road to recovery.

    And I hear what your saying about comparing her to my Zed.. but trust me i'm not doing that.. very little I have driven before or since compares with the "boot in the base of the spine" "arse clenching" kick that the zed delivers when both turbos spool up and get to full chat.. but I have driven a load of "hot" hatches and they all just seemed far more.. eager that the pug.. and more responsive and jerky when jabbing at the throttle..

    I have always heard such great things about the 6, and I have always had a soft spot for the styling which is why i thought she would be a fun daily.

    I'll keep you posted as to the results of the upcoming tlc..

    And RetroPug.. It would be great if we could meet up sometime when your around and we can maybe go for a blast down the A34 and i can see if i can keep up with you? Honestly3k says he lives not too far away too.. MINI MEET!!
    Posted 12th Aug 2013 at 23:04
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    After doing the one on my car, i cant recommend fitting a new genuine (bosch) lambda enough. Mine was starting to stink of fuel and on a nice steady motorway drive to fcs and back, i did £80 of fuel to 360 miles Sad. Fitted a new lambda and wow. Its like a brand new car to drive. Sounds healthier, much more responsive and doesnt drink fuel like i do beer! For £65 i would go and do that mate.

    As others have said though, it is a very dead engine below 5-6k. They do have to be worked hard. This is why i liked my 1.8 so much. Yeah it was only 120bhp but it would happily stay well ahead of a 6 until the 6 hit its peak torque. Much more lively engine!
    Posted 13th Aug 2013 at 12:15
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    Dead below 5-6?! :pmsl

    Peak is at 6.5, torque is around 4k, sounds like yours still has a lot wrong with it!

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    Posted 13th Aug 2013 at 15:16
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    Pablito wrote:
    My mate cleaned out the ICV and she idles fine now and she was dropping below 1k revs when the clutch was depressed and braking from speed to standstill.. like at a T-junction or something, but this seems to have stopped since it was cleaned.


    And RetroPug.. It would be great if we could meet up sometime when your around and we can maybe go for a blast down the A34 and i can see if i can keep up with you? Honestly3k says he lives not too far away too.. MINI MEET!!


    I just cleaned the ICV on my Ph.2 this afternoon.

    On the Ph.1 I had earlier this year it was causing hunting idle, and when the car was coasting in gear it'd speed up suddenly. It also had the problem you mentioned with the revs dropping when the clutch was dipped, but it was getting bit sketchy as it actually stalled during downshifting before corners sometimes, resulting in loss of power steering just before a bend. Obviously it is still steerable without it but to suddenly have to use way more effort unexpectedly is still dangerous. ICV clean completely cured this.

    Sure, I'm not back until mid September sometime though! I used to work in Didcot actually. There are some great country roads about.


    Also, my bog-standard 306 is quicker at 6k plus but I'd hardly describe it as dead below 6k.

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    Posted 13th Aug 2013 at 16:57
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    Niall wrote:
    This is why i liked my 1.8 so much. Yeah it was only 120bhp but it would happily stay well ahead of a 6 until the 6 hit its peak torque. Much more lively engine!


    For you to say that I can only assume your 6 has something wrong or its the gearing giving you that feeling., I've driven the 1.8, 2.0 xsi and plenty of 6's and a 6 is a much more lively engine than any of the others. I'd go as far to say the 1.8 feels s**t even when compared to the 2.0 8v xsi engine.

    It's Worth remembering that 1st and 2nd are quite long with the 6 speed which is the only reason I could see the other variants being described as more lively unless the 6 is f**ked.

    To the original poster try getting to about 45-50 and drop it back into 2nd, it should feel like it really wants to pull hard at that point and carry on through 3rd, 4th and 5th easily up to naughty speeds.

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    Niall wrote:
    This is why i liked my 1.8 so much. Yeah it was only 120bhp but it would happily stay well ahead of a 6 until the 6 hit its peak torque. Much more lively engine!


    Would have to agree with ryan, That's just not characteristic of the 1.8 unless highly tuned, like this one

    The only standard engine that's really lively in the 306 is the J4RS (possibly the S16 J4 too) don't see why you'd think the 1.8 was quicker than a 6 in any gear Dunno

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    Posted 13th Aug 2013 at 19:10
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    Sigh thought this would be the outcome. don't know why i expected any different on this forum! My 6 is very healthy and i know its faster than several other standard ones out there.
    Yes the gti engine is dead up until the higher revs. It has no torque what so ever but after that its a great bit of fun. Yeah the 1.8 isnt as powerful but off the lights, definitely has the advantage of less weight and being a much revvier engine.
    Not that i'd know. Not like i owned both for quite a long period or anything!
    Posted 13th Aug 2013 at 21:38
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    Hmm

    I have to say, the '6' is a much better engine and if used 'correctly' there is no comparison.
    Next people will be saying the HDi 90 is as quick as a '6'...(Rikky) LOL

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    Posted 13th Aug 2013 at 23:16
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    Niall wrote:
    Sigh thought this would be the outcome. don't know why i expected any different on this forum! My 6 is very healthy and i know its faster than several other standard ones out there.
    Yes the gti engine is dead up until the higher revs. It has no torque what so ever but after that its a great bit of fun. Yeah the 1.8 isnt as powerful but off the lights, definitely has the advantage of less weight and being a much revvier engine.
    Not that i'd know. Not like i owned both for quite a long period or anything!


    Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you're not correct. Just in my opinion the xs I was driving wasn't as revvy as a RS at all. I've heard they can develop pretty close to 6 power with a few bits thrown at it but that's a different matter. In standard trim, driving both cars, the 6 reached near redline much faster than the XS did in any gear, and considering the 6's redline is around 1k higher (IIRC) that would lead me to believe the RS to be the revvier engine by a long shot. I guess the XS felt a little bit more punchy at lower RPM in the low gears, but ill bet thats all down to the gear boxes.. but then that's not what you were getting at anyway. Dunno

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    Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 01:21
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    Niall wrote:
    Sigh thought this would be the outcome. don't know why i expected any different on this forum! My 6 is very healthy and i know its faster than several other standard ones out there.
    Yes the gti engine is dead up until the higher revs. It has no torque what so ever but after that its a great bit of fun. Yeah the 1.8 isnt as powerful but off the lights, definitely has the advantage of less weight and being a much revvier engine.
    Not that i'd know. Not like i owned both for quite a long period or anything!


    I don't think it would matter what forum you were on, if you tell people the same car with 30lb ft less of torque and 50 less bhp is quicker accelerating I don't think your going to find many people that agree with you tbh.

    I can't really see how it would have an advantage off the lights considering The 1.8 takes 10+ seconds to get to 60... I reckon a '6 would do that pulling off in 2nd.

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    ^^This

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    Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 07:31
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    Niall wrote:
    Sigh thought this would be the outcome. don't know why i expected any different on this forum! My 6 is very healthy and i know its faster than several other standard ones out there.
    Yes the gti engine is dead up until the higher revs. It has no torque what so ever but after that its a great bit of fun. Yeah the 1.8 isnt as powerful but off the lights, definitely has the advantage of less weight and being a much revvier engine.
    Not that i'd know. Not like i owned both for quite a long period or anything!


    LOL Keep taking the tablets
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    This just proves my point. There are a lot of people on this forum with their heads so far up their own arses because they genuinely believe the 6 is the best car out there. It may have been good back in its time i'll happily agree that but its now an old, slow (in comparison to todays hot hatches) car. But then people here dont seem to realise that.
    Its no wonder this is a failing forum with such a bad reputation when you have people here that are so closed minded that they just refuse to listen to something they dont want to hear!
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    I dont have a 6, never have Wink

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    I don't think its the best car, not by a long shot.

    But to say a 1.8 is quicker is a bit much
    Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 08:11
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    Maybe you should re read what i wrote. Yeah granted, put them both on a runway and yeah the 6 will pull ahead after a while but in my experience, the 1.8 will be ahead up until the 6 gets in its torque band.
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    Niall wrote:
    This just proves my point. There are a lot of people on this forum with their heads so far up their own arses because they genuinely believe the 6 is the best car out there. It may have been good back in its time i'll happily agree that but its now an old, slow (in comparison to todays hot hatches) car. But then people here dont seem to realise that.
    Its no wonder this is a failing forum with such a bad reputation when you have people here that are so closed minded that they just refuse to listen to something they dont want to hear!


    You're on a gti 6 forum... People here are generally pretty interested in 6's or at least something from PSA. You're not the only one with an opinion, we have ours. Slate one, and you're asking for trouble.

    My opinion is that a 1.8 is in no way faster or more fun than a 6. I've driven both, just like you. But you're trying to act like you're correct and we are all mindless. "Sigh.. don't know why I expected it to be different on this forum.." save it, were not kids.

    I challenge you to actually find someone who believes the 6 is the best car there is. I don't think you will. Everyone who has one does so because they look great, go well, and are hard to be beaten on fun for the cash spent.

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    Standard HDi will out drag a 6 - fact Yes

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  • Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 09:03
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    Cool story bro! Shock

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    pebbles167 wrote:
    Niall wrote:
    This just proves my point. There are a lot of people on this forum with their heads so far up their own arses because they genuinely believe the 6 is the best car out there. It may have been good back in its time i'll happily agree that but its now an old, slow (in comparison to todays hot hatches) car. But then people here dont seem to realise that.
    Its no wonder this is a failing forum with such a bad reputation when you have people here that are so closed minded that they just refuse to listen to something they dont want to hear!


    You're on a gti 6 forum... People here are generally pretty interested in 6's or at least something from PSA. You're not the only one with an opinion, we have ours. Slate one, and you're asking for trouble.

    My opinion is that a 1.8 is in no way faster or more fun than a 6. I've driven both, just like you. But you're trying to act like you're correct and we are all mindless. "Sigh.. don't know why I expected it to be different on this forum.." save it, were not kids.

    I challenge you to actually find someone who believes the 6 is the best car there is. I don't think you will. Everyone who has one does so because they look great, go well, and are hard to be beaten on fun for the cash spent.


    Sorry but a lot of people on this forum do get their backs up as soon as someone says the 6 might not be so good at something or there might be something better out there. It wouldnt have a reputation for it over most of the other peugeot forums for it if it wasnt that way! Of course people are going to be interested in pugs if they are on this forum but it just goes a bit to far most of the time. This forum portrays owning a 6 as some sort of elitist club!
    And sorry but at no point did i slate someones opinion. Just gave my own which unsurprisingly, got shot down because thats just what happens on this forum if you dont follow the sheep.
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