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Post #51
Niall - My personal opinion on this subject is that if you thought a 1.8 (which is a good car) was quicker in the bottom end of the range over a '6' then you haven't driven the '6' properly.

The characteristics of the engine are what makes the car what it is IMO, and as said previously, there are better cars out there, but for the money I challenge you to find a better fun car. It basically gives the biggest grin per £ spent I would say and that's just in standard form. Yes

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Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 09:19
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Perhaps, but I've never seen anyone on this site flatly refuse the 6 can be beaten. Apart from jamma perhaps.

Everyone knows that there are finer cars, quicker and more powerfull with better handling. I'm sure they just think the 6 is a fun little car. I've owned all sorts of cars and bikes, after stepping off my GSXR getting into my EVO III, going for a drive, then getting into the gti 6, I still had fun. As did I with the 106 gti and the 205 gti. I couldn't say the same about my golf gti or my jaguar. And after everything, when I sold all my stuff I kept the 6. I even sold the EVO and the GSXR.

I don't know about anyone else, I'm just here because I live for the 306 Big grin

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Agreed. We are also the most useful vehicle specific 306 owners club on the net with the most comprehensive guides and experienced members.

We are bound to be 'dying' as the GTi6 and Rallye specifically are declining in numbers.

A generic 306 owners club is bound to be more popular as it caters for more members. The 306 as a model is now affordable to ALL. When I was 17 and bought a 306 as my first car pug306.net hadn't been going long and was dead. The owner base on there was middle aged family men and the odd hero who could afford a GTi6. Youngsters sticker bombing their derv just wasn't common so the forum was dead.

We are entitled to be up our arses. Don't like it - don't post Smile

Same reason many members on here probably don't participate in OC and .net - not interested in everyone calling everyone else gay, moaning about being a skint student or the price of Costco veg oil. We don't like it - so we don't post.

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  • Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 09:24
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    +4 for Dan, my hero Love

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    Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 09:27
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    +10 for pebbles being IN Dan. Dan. Dan. Dan
    Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 13:13
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    +15 for gilesy for being a most likeable fellow. Thumbs up

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    Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 13:20
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    Post #57
    Niall wrote:
    This just proves my point. There are a lot of people on this forum with their heads so far up their own arses because they genuinely believe the 6 is the best car out there. It may have been good back in its time i'll happily agree that but its now an old, slow (in comparison to todays hot hatches) car. But then people here dont seem to realise that.
    Its no wonder this is a failing forum with such a bad reputation when you have people here that are so closed minded that they just refuse to listen to something they dont want to hear!


    Giving a well-reasoned opinion that isn't exactly the same as yours is not being closed minded, and saying it is because *you* don't like hearing people respond to what you said with anything other than "Yes! I 100% agree, you're my favourite poster ever!" is more characteristic of someone who has their head up their arse.

    All people said were things like "I've owned both and I don't agree" and "yes it picks up higher in the rev range but it is hardly dead before that" etc. If you don't like discussing things, why be a member of a forum? That's what they're for.

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    Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 15:43
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    I have always found the 6 to feel gutless before 5000 revs, as in a saxo vtr feels to have more low down pull. If you keep them on the boil some go fairly well. I have driven and been up against clio 172s and find them to be a bit quicker in lower gears. I had a s16 and as a daily driver and it felt to have a more pull off the line but slightly less top end. At the end of the day its a 2ltr na petrol weighing around 1200kg so its not going to compare to an evo in a straight line.
    Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 16:41
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    Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 17:05
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    RetroPug wrote:
    Niall wrote:
    This just proves my point. There are a lot of people on this forum with their heads so far up their own arses because they genuinely believe the 6 is the best car out there. It may have been good back in its time i'll happily agree that but its now an old, slow (in comparison to todays hot hatches) car. But then people here dont seem to realise that.
    Its no wonder this is a failing forum with such a bad reputation when you have people here that are so closed minded that they just refuse to listen to something they dont want to hear!


    Giving a well-reasoned opinion that isn't exactly the same as yours is not being closed minded, and saying it is because *you* don't like hearing people respond to what you said with anything other than "Yes! I 100% agree, you're my favourite poster ever!" is more characteristic of someone who has their head up their arse.

    All people said were things like "I've owned both and I don't agree" and "yes it picks up higher in the rev range but it is hardly dead before that" etc. If you don't like discussing things, why be a member of a forum? That's what they're for.

    <<< Recent new addition to the same "failing forum" that has helped to fix 2 306s in less than year, one of which was a write-off.


    Yeah but some wernt well reasoned at all. Like saying "oh there must be something wrong with your 6 if thats the case" Is not a opinion. Thats saying that my opinion is wrong. Dont get me wrong, there are some very helpful people on here and some very knowledgeable people but there is also a lot who are just so closed minded, its actually quite amusing.
    I signed up here to take advantage of the wealth of knowledge here but also to help others where i can. Now i think why i even bothered when there are other forums out there that are just as helpful but dont try and take the p**s for having an opinion or just basically say your opinion is wrong.
    This forum has a bad rep on several other forums i use for this exact reason and more and i can see it now tbh!
    Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 18:42
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    Post #61
    If that's the way you feel then why are you still here? Dunno

    I've been here coming up 10 years, had some great times, made some awesome friends and can't really find fault with the forum as a whole.

    Don't forget this forum is a 'model' based forum and therefore people are most likely to be found discussing this model. Also, let's not forget that this model is the 'flagship' model of the 306 range from Peugeot, and therefore if the 1.8 were better, it would have been the flagship model instead.

    I get what you're saying about the lower end pickup, but the '6' was built for A and B roads where the revs will be kept in the power band as the six-speed box was designed for this. It's the same reason why I hate 1/4 miling my car. The gearbox ratios in 1st and 2nd are not made for that sport at all and therefore offer a much slower time than what the car is actually capable of.
    If I were to have built mine for drag racing I would have a close ratio 5-speed box in there with a top speed of about 120mph but ensuring it got there awesomely quick.

    Use the car for it's desired intention and you won't be disappointed. Yes

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    Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 19:05
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    I agree they're not the best cars off the line but a fly wheel makes them pounce off the line. Even so i do believe the first 2 gears are too long but once your at the top of of 2nd that's when the fun begins.

    I'm not really in to traffic light games anyway I like hanging round corners late at night flat out with my hair on fire Superman

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    Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 19:13
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    Mine isnt sluggish. You can ask the porsche boxster owner, tvr cerbra owner and focus st owners that ive roasted on the country roads around here over the years for confirmation.

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    Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 19:50
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    Niall wrote:
    pebbles167 wrote:
    Niall wrote:
    This just proves my point. There are a lot of people on this forum with their heads so far up their own arses because they genuinely believe the 6 is the best car out there. It may have been good back in its time i'll happily agree that but its now an old, slow (in comparison to todays hot hatches) car. But then people here dont seem to realise that.
    Its no wonder this is a failing forum with such a bad reputation when you have people here that are so closed minded that they just refuse to listen to something they dont want to hear!


    You're on a gti 6 forum... People here are generally pretty interested in 6's or at least something from PSA. You're not the only one with an opinion, we have ours. Slate one, and you're asking for trouble.

    My opinion is that a 1.8 is in no way faster or more fun than a 6. I've driven both, just like you. But you're trying to act like you're correct and we are all mindless. "Sigh.. don't know why I expected it to be different on this forum.." save it, were not kids.

    I challenge you to actually find someone who believes the 6 is the best car there is. I don't think you will. Everyone who has one does so because they look great, go well, and are hard to be beaten on fun for the cash spent.


    Sorry but a lot of people on this forum do get their backs up as soon as someone says the 6 might not be so good at something or there might be something better out there. It wouldnt have a reputation for it over most of the other peugeot forums for it if it wasnt that way! Of course people are going to be interested in pugs if they are on this forum but it just goes a bit to far most of the time. This forum portrays owning a 6 as some sort of elitist club!
    And sorry but at no point did i slate someones opinion. Just gave my own which unsurprisingly, got shot down because thats just what happens on this forum if you dont follow the sheep.


    I would of completely agreed with you going back a while ago about the way this forum was towards other cars and people seeing the 6 through rose tinted glasses but that doesn't really happen these days that I notice.

    The issue hasn't really been about that though anyway, your not on about something newer, better and people won't accept it. You voiced an opinion that a loads slower 1.8 306 can be quicker than a gti 6 and myself and a few others obviously don't agree, because It's not. There's not any real need for anyone to have a problem about that unless you are purposely trying to make one... I get the impression you thought you knew the reaction you would get before you made the comment which begs the question why bother saying it at all if you weren't purposely trolling.

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    People are entitled to their opinion what ever it is. Hence why i dont really care about what people have said about my opinion about my 1.8. What bothers me is the reaction to someone elses opinion.
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    People only suggested maybe your 6 wasn't running right as they have to the op too, no need to take offence. I also suggested it could just be the gearing making it 'feel' quicker.

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  • Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 20:19
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    I know why mine is so sluggish.... theres a fat old b**tard driving it like a granny. Smile

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    Niall wrote:
    Yeah but some wernt well reasoned at all. Like saying "oh there must be something wrong with your 6 if thats the case" Is not a opinion. Thats saying that my opinion is wrong. Dont get me wrong, there are some very helpful people on here and some very knowledgeable people but there is also a lot who are just so closed minded, its actually quite amusing.
    I signed up here to take advantage of the wealth of knowledge here but also to help others where i can. Now i think why i even bothered when there are other forums out there that are just as helpful but dont try and take the p**s for having an opinion or just basically say your opinion is wrong.
    This forum has a bad rep on several other forums i use for this exact reason and more and i can see it now tbh!


    Well your assertion was that they were completely dead before 5-6k, and if peak torque is at 4 and yours is still "dead" at 4k then either you have a different perception of dead than quite a number of people here, or there is something wrong. I'm sure it is the first one, but suggesting another possibility is hardly close-minded now is it?

    Granted, the '6 isn't the quickest car off the line by a long shot, but mine still stays ahead of near enough everything that isn't quite expensive until it gets into higher revs and really pulls away. Maybe my engine was made right after lunch and a cigarette on a sunny tuesday? Dunno

    You told others their opinions were wrong...then when they do the same or poke a bit of fun it's a huge deal? If having the p**s taken a bit results in repeatedly trying to shame the forum for its bad rep and getting all upset and p**sed off then perhaps you should either lighten up and take the p**s taking on the chin or avoid the p**s taking. No need for a scene. Just my opinion, if I dare share it. LOL

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    Niall wrote:
    People are entitled to their opinion what ever it is. Hence why i dont really care about what people have said about my opinion about my 1.8. What bothers me is the reaction to someone elses opinion.


    I'm going to help you out a little here, I had a XSi before I bought the 6. When I went to test drive the 6 I was expecting almost turbo like acceleration from what I had heard but I was actually quite disappointed as it felt flatter than the XSi. I don't think it was any slower but the fact that the engine was a far smoother acceleration it almost felt like it was slower until the revs built up so I can understand exactly what you're saying. I do understand though that how a car "feels" isn't exactly a true representation of actual timings.

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    Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 20:36
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    Pablito wrote:
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    Where abouts are you based Pablito? Dunno


    Didcot mate. In between Oxford and Reading.


    I live in Harwell mate!

    I've had a 6 in the past, so would be more than happy to take a ride to see if it feels sluggish.

    I've got a 205 with the 6 engine in it now, so that won't be a fair comparison Cool

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    Posted 14th Aug 2013 at 20:49
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    Well mine seems to turn into an animal to be fair after 4k in my opinion!and mine needs a fair bit of work to become upto great standards, iv owned lots of French cars (to many) including a 206 gti( if you think your gti6 is sluggish and got no power then drive one of these!!) and a clio sport 172 was fun but just not built well! Then I bought my 6 after always wanting one for a little over a 1k and this is my own opinion there is no other car which could put a smile on my face every time I open it up around a country lane like this does for the money definatly not the quickest car granted but find me another car for that price which i paid which can give me the thrills it does and is capable of keeping up with newer more faster cars with its build quality, ( for a French car) and I really think you would struggle to do so! This is all my personal opinion obviously
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    They're not that quick in the overall scale of things. Its just the speed you can carry into corners and the confidence they inspire round corners and on bumpy roads. Still makes me grin.

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