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 markylee
Regular  Location: benfleet Registered: 05 Jan 2011 Posts: 393 Status: Offline |
Post #76
blandy wrote: Yeah maybe not less work but in my opinion more straigght forward. Have no idea about ecu, hopefully someone will tell us Cheaper at that cost if doing youself but not less work. Can you map the standard ecu to suit though or would you need standalone ecu |
 Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 21:25
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markylee
Regular Location: benfleet Registered: 05 Jan 2011 Posts: 393 Status: Offline |
Post #77
Also will it be worth doing a rebore and head skimmed |
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Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 21:35
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #78
As on my reply before yours yes you can remap your sci, chip wizards do this________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 21:35
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markylee
Regular Location: benfleet Registered: 05 Jan 2011 Posts: 393 Status: Offline |
Post #79
rallyeash wrote: Cheers mate what do you think about a rebore and head skim As on my reply before yours yes you can remap your sci, chip wizards do this |
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Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 21:37
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #80
88mm crank with S16 pistons will give you 50cc more anyway in a completely standard block. I would bother with head work just a set of cams.________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 21:45
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markylee
Regular Location: benfleet Registered: 05 Jan 2011 Posts: 393 Status: Offline |
Post #81
rallyeash wrote: 88mm crank, is that a completely new crank anwhere can i buy from, and the pistons 88mm crank with S16 pistons will give you 50cc more anyway in a completely standard block. I would bother with head work just a set of cams. |
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Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 21:52
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markylee
Regular Location: benfleet Registered: 05 Jan 2011 Posts: 393 Status: Offline |
Post #82
Ok I'm making a parts list, any help on where I can get the parts please88mm crank s16 pistons cams(what cams and where can I get them) |
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Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 22:19
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #83
88mm crank is found in the 1.9td engines. I'm running 109 catcams in my gti6 engine, these are a standard fit for the head ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 22:26
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markylee
Regular Location: benfleet Registered: 05 Jan 2011 Posts: 393 Status: Offline |
Post #84
rallyeash wrote: Cheers mate, would never had dreamed of getting a crank from a 1.9td 88mm crank is found in the 1.9td engines. I'm running 109 catcams in my gti6 engine, these are a standard fit for the head |
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Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 22:29
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blandy
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bucks Registered: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,437 Status: Offline |
Post #85
What kind of costs involved in doing a 2.1 engine build with labour etc |
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Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 22:29
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #86
Mine... 87mm forge pistons and custome steel rods £1200 88mm crank inc polish £150 Block bored to 87mm £100 Cams £500 Vernier pulleys £200 Jenveys, inlet, trumpets, linkage £1,000 DTA ecu £500 Loom (I had the whole car custom wired from scratch £1,000 Arp bolts, bearings, 16 new valves, springs, head work, everything to build a new engine,assembled etc by Sandy brown. £ Can't remember! That gave me 230hp, 2088cc in a 740kg 205 :-) ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 22:55
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #87
But I recon you could do 88mm crank £100 S16 rods and pistons £50 Bored block £100 Pocket machined pistons £100 Rebuild stuff £200 ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 22:59
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blandy
Seasoned Pro Location: Bucks Registered: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,437 Status: Offline |
Post #88
Thanks gives a kinda rough idea lol already on jenveys so just engine work next |
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Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 22:59
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blandy
Seasoned Pro Location: Bucks Registered: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,437 Status: Offline |
Post #89
Out of interest why do people not go the extra to forged pistons whilst its apart or are they just not necessary? |
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Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 23:01
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #90
I wouldnt use s16 pistons, very heavy and most will be worn out these days, also attached to short rods.Personally i would get some pistons made to work with bushed gti6 rods, longer rod so less side thrust loads and mean a lighter piston. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 23:01
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
Post #91
markylee wrote: jeffers wrote: Have you got a link to your thread, I'd be interested in copying er I mean seeing what you've donestan_306gti6 wrote: You could always go for some bike throttle bodies, 'Peugeot96' on here is doing this at the moment. It will be a lot cheaper than going down the Jenvey route, especially if you fabricate some parts yourself. I'm mid doing this exact thing along with my new engine build.... Which reminds me I must update my project thread......  I'm waiting on some adapter plates being machined up to fit the bodies on so as there's no silicone hoses required. Once I get them back hopefully next week sometime il post some pictures up so u can see how I'm doing it. It's an experiment at the end of the day, the engine is being build regardless of the bodies, if I can make the bodies work il be really happy! ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
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Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 23:52
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Project D
Newbie  Location: Finland, Turku Registered: 16 May 2012 Posts: 21 Status: Offline |
Post #92
Project D wrote: I have spend lot's sleepless nights and reading horror stories about cams and skimmed heads. I ordered Newman PH2 camshaft and i want to know will they fit unskimmed head?? Car is GTi-6. Can somebody answer my question. Pistons are standard and head is unskimmed. |
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Posted 28th Mar 2013 at 11:22
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roland rat
Yeeeah Rat fans!  Location: Swansea Registered: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 22,284 Status: Offline |
Post #93
Project D wrote: Project D wrote: I have spend lot's sleepless nights and reading horror stories about cams and skimmed heads. I ordered Newman PH2 camshaft and i want to know will they fit unskimmed head?? Car is GTi-6. Can somebody answer my question. Pistons are standard and head is unskimmed. yes  |
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Posted 28th Mar 2013 at 11:44
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro  Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #94
Start a thread on the subject then.________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 28th Mar 2013 at 12:37
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #95
Have you tried asking Newmans?________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 28th Mar 2013 at 14:39
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #96
PH2's have half a mil less lift at tdc than pt80/81, so as long as you can guarantee its not been skimmed you'll be ok.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 28th Mar 2013 at 14:48
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #97
AND only if timed correctly.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 28th Mar 2013 at 14:50
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #98
yes, of course  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 28th Mar 2013 at 14:53
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Project D
Newbie Location: Finland, Turku Registered: 16 May 2012 Posts: 21 Status: Offline |
Post #99
OK... that nice to know. I have e-mailed to newman, let's see what he respond. |
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Posted 28th Mar 2013 at 17:37
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hovis16
Seasoned Pro  Location: Reading/parts for sale Registered: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 4,304 Status: Offline |
Post #100
welshpug! wrote: yes, of course Have you had your peter T's from paul yet? I love mine :-) timing them was fun tho ________________________________________ Ph2 Black GTI 6!EX black 6 owner But now a Black caged rallye owner Hunting for Go faster bits! SEARCH click here |
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Posted 28th Mar 2013 at 19:22
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