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I'd like to one day perhaps take a trip to Australia and see what it's like over there compared to our living.


Well worth doing, and I think you'll be in for a surprise. I have a close friend who's married an Aussie girl and they're moving out there later this year. It's expensive. Very expensive. People get attracted by the high salaries and good weather, but the reality is that the salaries are cancelled out by a greater cost of living and the weather depends entirely on where you live, it's a big place. Some places are just constant rain, others are desert.

If you want to emigrate there and you're over 30, forget it - you're simply not allowed in. You can apply for an exception if you have a particular skill that's in great demand, but even then you have to be able to prove you have a job waiting, and then you're only allowed to live in the area where those skills are in demand, and do that job for a certain number of years before you're allowed to move about.

I'm not saying it's a bad system at all, it makes sense. But it's not all Home & Away, there are a lot of people struggling to run their lives there, it's not easy.

stan_306gti6 wrote:
surely you can understand the point that I (and a few others here) are trying to make? Or am I just stark-raving mad all of a sudden?


Oh absolutely I do, I'm not disagreeing with you completely. If laws are there, they should be kept to. Police should not be allowed to speed on roads if they're not on the way to an emergency, that annoys the hell out of me. MPs should pay full tax on everything and shouldn't be allowed to vote on their own pay. They shouldn't be allowed to claim stupid expenses which amount to tax evasion, and they should absolutely go to prison if they break these laws, just as Chris Huhne did the other day - cases like that really please me.

However there has to be some middle ground - yes, everyone should have to stick to the law, but that doesn't mean that every blade of grass in the country has to fit to some kind of standard. An MP stealing public money from out of our pockets *matters*. It has a tangible loss to people and makes them annoyed. However in examples like this one with the road signs, it doesn't affect anyone if they're wrong. No-one's lost out, no-one is upset by it, no-one's come to any harm, so why spend millions trying to enforce a rule which has never been enforced because there are better things to spend money on.

I completely agree that MPs could do a much better job, and that our economy has gotten flabby and there are many places money could be saved, but that's the same for any large business. The unfortunate truth is, however, that it's better to have people paid to do naff all than it is to have them on the streets.

It's absolutely possible to kick people's arses into working hard, to really knuckle down and make your country great again - it's exactly what China have done. But would you want to be like China? Because that's the only way to do it, run your entire country like an army, tell people what to do and have bad things happen to them if they don't.

I'll stay as we are thanks.

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Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 09:38
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Post #152
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Just watch out for killer spiders in the Dunny.


Oh yes, absolutely everything in Australia is out to kill you, watch out for that.

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Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 09:39
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Can you summarise that post into one sentence?

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Can you summarise that post into one sentence?


Australia, hard to enter, even tougher to stay in, high risk of death.

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Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 10:34
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Can you summarise that post into one sentence?


Australia is out to kill you, there is a difference between MPs getting their wives to take speeding tickets and someone making signs that are out by a couple of mil.

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Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 10:35
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Post #156
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there is a difference between MPs getting their wives to take speeding tickets and someone making signs that are out by a couple of mil.


There is a difference, but they are both still breaking the law. Yes

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Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 10:55
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Okay, you're right. It's that simple. I'm not wasting any more of my time if you're really that narrow-minded. I give up.

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Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 11:10
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Post #158
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rich306 wrote:
stan_306gti6 wrote:
Chris28190 wrote:
I think this is the best thread on the forum for a long time LOL


LOL

It is, yes.

However, I'm struggling to see why it's only Beez, Aaron and myself who see the real issue here...why does everybody else who has given an opinion fail to see the complete lack of principle with regard to this?

Are us 3 just completely well off the scale? Or has everybody else become victims of the 'do as I say, not do as I do' brainwashing culture that the Government likes to think it injects into us? Dunno


Whoah, i see the point you are trying to describe. But because i have been trained to do as i'm told - i can deal with it a little better.
I am no brainwashed 'citizen', I do however struggle to see how things could be greener on the other side. And as Owain has once said already, we have got it pretty easy in this country compared to others.

I'd like to one day perhaps take a trip to Australia and see what it's like over there compared to our living.


In many ways it's even worse a nanny state than ours, they have red tape for just about everything, but they do support their own industry and the quality of life is supposedly much better. Just watch out for killer spiders in the Dunny.


^^^ this. Australia is far worse than you expect, we are really no better off and in many ways worse off than you guys, other than everything that crawls walks slithers or slides wanting to kill you and eat your eyes for breakfast, and thats just the people.
And if you want to see red tape ... Parliament House in Canberra it's a huge factory that supplys 90% of the worlds needs Wink
Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 11:35
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Post #159
Cry

I've tried to stay out of this thread, but 0wain makes a good point above.

To summarise that sentance in other words:

Wasted money on loophole. Does nothing but save the speeders money, gain the solicitors money and cost us goody goodies money.

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  • Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 11:38
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    dangti6 wrote:
    Wasted money on loophole. Does nothing but save the speeders money, gain the solicitors money and cost us goody goodies money.


    Yeah that's pretty much seven pages right there.

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    Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 11:40
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    This is like the Religious debate: no one's ever going to agree on the same thing.

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    Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 12:05
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    Post #162
    AndyJ wrote:
    This is like the Religious debate: no one's ever going to agree on the same thing.


    Even when one side completely flies in the face of all logic and reason, well put Whistle

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    Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 12:08
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    this thread has actually made me LOLOLO

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    Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 12:15
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    It's certainly passed some time.

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    Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 12:16
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    Post #165
    owain wrote:
    dangti6 wrote:
    Wasted money on loophole. Does nothing but save the speeders money, gain the solicitors money and cost us goody goodies money.


    Yeah that's pretty much seven pages right there.


    Lets touch on the main benefits of the updated signs.

    Fit in with regulations - those that were probably decided upon because it fitted in with other similar signs dimensions.

    Anything else? How much more visible will they be. Anyone care to work out how much further back a motorist will now be able to see them?

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    All dependant on eye sight mate. The correct sign could be the difference between life and death. Especially if my wifes driving... her sights aweful!!

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    i've just read 0wayne was the one who designed the signs

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    Post #168
    0wain wrote:
    If it won't fit on an eBay offcut of Lexan, I'm not signing off the proof. It's as simple as that Stan.


    I believe that's how it went

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  • Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 12:42
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    0wayne wrote:
    They look fine to me. Pretty sure nobody cares about the dimensions, so aslong as they're a few LED's wide and about the height of a big glass, that should do.


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    Also, can you send me the file as a Word document so I can edit it in future to save getting you to do it? Then I can print them off at home and supply them direct

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    Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 12:45
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    owain wrote:
    AndyJ wrote:
    This is like the Religious debate: no one's ever going to agree on the same thing.


    Even when one side completely flies in the face of all logic and reason, well put Whistle


    You see wht I did, there? Thumbs up

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    Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 12:59
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    Post #171
    rikky wrote:
    0wayne wrote:
    Also, can you send me the file as a Word document so I can edit it in future to save getting you to do it? Then I can print them off at home and supply them direct


    LOL

    Yeah.
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    File type must be either .doc or .bmt - but ideally a low res mono scan of a signed mock up. It helps if the person who scans the artwork has parkinsons or tenis elbow so I can be assured your company is an equal opportunities employer

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  • Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 13:13
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    Post #172
    owain wrote:
    Okay, you're right. It's that simple. I'm not wasting any more of my time if you're really that narrow-minded. I give up.


    So, you *are* in agreement with me then? Why give up, you've agreed that breaking the law is breaking the law.

    It's no different to comparing somebody going into a paper shop and stealing a magazine, against someone who stole a biro from their office. People will tend to view these crimes as completely different even when they are actually the same. The point I'm trying to make is, how far do you go?

    So, say for example, we let the signs issue go as it's petty and minor. Then in a few months time, there is another issue which is worse, but yet still fairly 'petty' so it's agreed we let that go to. How far do you go until you say, 'hold on, this really can't be brushed under the carpet'?

    Possibly wait until somebody is killed as a direct result of somebody's elses 'petty mistake' perhaps? I really don't know and that's why we should be straight down the line, is it legal, yes or no? No grey areas, no 'this is going to cost too much so we'll leave it' just straight forward is it correct or not? If not, rectify it. Simple.

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    Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 13:19
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    All dependant on eye sight mate. The correct sign could be the difference between life and death. Especially if my wifes driving... her sights aweful!!


    A prime example which could be applied to my previous post. Yes

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    Posted 13th Mar 2013 at 13:22
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    aaron6 wrote:
    All dependant on eye sight mate. The correct sign could be the difference between life and death. Especially if my wifes driving... her sights aweful!!


    if it really is that bad she should not be driving or should be wearing glasses.

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    stan_306gti6 wrote:
    aaron6 wrote:
    All dependant on eye sight mate. The correct sign could be the difference between life and death. Especially if my wifes driving... her sights aweful!!


    A prime example which could be applied to my previous post. Yes


    But the interesting thing (can't believe I just said that) is who actually decided on the measurements and on what basis. Is there a rule about a particular level of eyesight being able to read it clearly from a set distance - perhaps the bare minimum to legally be entitled to drive.

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