If the Govenment supported British industry in the same way that other nations Govenments did then we would'nt be in such a sorry state. I'll give you an example from my industry. Britain used to have several mills producing mig wire, it was very high quality and was priced accordingly, not mega dear but certainly not cheap. Italy had mills but the quality was'nt there, but they were good employers and welding is pretty big business if you are a manufacturing nation. So Italian mills, subsidised by Govenment money flooded the UK market with cheap, inferior wire. Our "Buyers" can't resist a bargain and consequently bought it by the container load. Pretty soon all the UK mills were gone, you can't downgrade the quality and cut costs fast enough to survive against unfairly cheap imports, so they went to the wall. Guess what happened next? Yep, the Italian govt. stopped subsidising the wire mills and the price shot up, same poor quality but now it's nearly as much as the good stuff. Ten on top of that they go in holiday for 6 weeks in summer, causeing shortages which jack the prices up even more.
They are having a taste oif their own medicine now though as the Chinese are doing the same thing to them now that they did to us in the 80s, and they don't like it one bit.

Now, I know this is a single example, but its a story that has been repeated in every manufacturing sector in this country, I get that lazy workers, and trade unions did as much to destroy our manufacturing industry as anything else, but that is then and this is now. We cannot compete with slave labour, but we have a Govenment that is excellent at taxing things. What they should be doing is putting an import tax on things we buy in from countries with labour rates the EU can't compete with. Chances are you'd by something decent from the EU if it was'nt half the price from China (even if it's crap). If you are are a nation of consumers then all the money is going out of the country faster than its coming in. When the industrial revolution came and Britain made more stuff better and faster than anyone else for a while we became one of the richest nations on earth.
I'm not saying things were good then, as they were'nt. Owain has already made very good points about how awful times were back then, but the EU is'nt the real problem, it's the emerging industrial giants such as China, India, Malaysia, Korea that should be keeping us awake at night. All the EU needs to do is say no to bieng undermined by cheap tat from these places and trade ourselves out of this mess before it's too late.

But it probably is too late...

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Human rights was first started by Winston Churchill right wing, Brussels took over the idea. This is the main reason im not part of the right wing much due to Hitler being part of the far right of it.

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Personally, if the signs are perfectly legible and have been working well for three years (the argunent is that the don't conform, not that they can't be read by motorists) then they should be left in place until such time as they are due for routine replacement and that all fines/penaltied dished out in the period that they have been up should stand. Why waste more taxpayers hard earned money on replacing something that obviously works, with something else that does an almost identical job.

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Stan you have to be winding us up with supporting bnp that's actually ridiculous... I for one quite proud that I can be apart of society which has different cultures, believes and a different style of living. They don't just 'come here and claim benefits' most of them are hard working and put back into the community. More so than most lazy British twats who believe the government owes them a living while sitting there smoking weed refusing to go to work. And their excuse 'theres no jobs', well yes there is actually. Stop reading s**tty articles in the newspaper because all they do is manipulate a story to get the general public angry. Most of what they write is nonsense.
As much as you want to believe the law isn't black and white I don't care how many examples you throw out here.

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Ok, I see your point.

Forget the *principle* let's just think about the money. Due to the amount it would cost, I do understand why a lot of people would think it a waste of money to have them changed. That's fine, as long as we know what the real reason is and that principle has gone out of the window then everyone knows where they stand.

Unfortunately, it's due to this disregard of principle that causes me to have very little (if any) respect for law enforcement as a whole.

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+1 for Beez. That is all.

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Absolutely, some sense has arrived at last.

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True, but that's not the point being argued here at all. Stan's saying that literally everything should be governed down to the millimetre, and that's a good way of spending our money.

The Government saying "your number plates must look like x", isn't a problem, because your car comes with number plates, and as long as you get them made up at a legit plate, it costs you no more to have them legal, and they're not exactly a service item.

Say, for example, I was caught overtaking over a solid white line in the road. I'm sure there's something, somewhere, that states the width a white line in the road should be. Are you saying that you think the taxpayer should pay to have the width of every white line in the country measured just to make sure I can legally be prosecuted for crossing it? Because that's the level of nonsense you're talking here. You're saying it would be okay to speed past a school if the sign was a bit grubby or the colour was slightly off?

It's reasonable for the Government to expect you to have legal number plates, because it's for everyone's good and it costs you nothing. It's not reasonable to expect everything in the country to be millimetre perfect. That's the difference - the things the Government expect of you are few and they are reasonable, the things you expect from them are, frankly, moronic.

I really don't understand how you and I can be the same age and yet you seem to have the pent-up rage of a 50-year-old man who's just lost his pension.

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Yes, because David Cameron himself makes road signs from blue prints. I'd suspect some company just bought some from somewhere thinking that no-one would be enough of a prick to complain about them being a couple of pixels out, hardly unreasonable.

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Oh well, they should revise tye way they commission these sorts of things to avoid further embarrassment. If tuere are loop holes then people will use them.

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Exactly this. It's embarassing for the law enforcers who are so quick to jump on you because of an equally petty offence. Fair play I say.

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whatever i read in The Sun i take as fact

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