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daveyboy

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Post #26
barry.rs wrote:
Andy my point which seems to have been missed is that you are allowed to run a car repair business without planning permission under permitted development rights (assuming its not a relatively new housing development).

You simply need to demonstrate that the points I posted do not apply to your situation to the council.


But I bet he is'nt declaring it as a business and paying taxes, rates etc. and that's a can of worms I'm sure Andy doesn't want to open.

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 14:22
barry.rs

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Post #27
He doesn't have too as long as the property's primary use is still a dwelling Jim.

Its no different to me working full time from home in a dedicated office.
Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 14:26
jord294

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Post #28

this is were i'm confused.

surely running a business means you are earning to make a living ?

i work full time, and only supply rebuilt beams for those people who want someone they can trust.

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 14:29
barry.rs

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Post #29
If you have a full time job as an employee but work on cars in your spare time you should fill out a self assessment for tax reasons but only if you earn over £2k per year from it iirc.

Edit.

Just tell the council that you run a part time business from your home that you believe is allowed under your permitted development rights; I really dont think there is anything they can do about it Thumbs up

If any tax questions come up simply state that you can demonstrate that you earn less than £2k a year and therefore don’t have to declare it.
Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 14:36
welshpug!

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Post #30
many new build, and older ex-council estates have a clause that you cannot run any kind of business from the premises, you need to check that if the business thing is a route you are considering.

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 15:11
mark.evs

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Post #31
Ask them for proof of what you've supposed to have been doing, as said previously you've only been maintaining your 'old' cars, and helping out a few friends with rear beams because u have the 'correct tools'. Then u could always hide a few bits at your brothers and invite them round to show them that nothing dodgy is going on. keep it simple.

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 15:57
jord294

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Post #32

right, my reply letter has been written, and posted.

i have been as honest as possible, and have stated that i hope a compromise can be reached, to allow me to still do work on my cars at my property. i have also asked for them to check with other neighbours, if they think i'm a nuisance.

so, thanks for everyones input. much appreciated Thumbs up

will keep you informed of progress



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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 16:57
coskev

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Post #33
Pain in the arse all this palAngry

maintaining your own cars is a hobby as far as I'm concerned.

Your garage and drive are well hidden too,between yours and your bruvs house,really can't see how you effect any of your neighbours at all.

welshpug! wrote:
many new build, and older ex-council estates have a clause that you cannot run any kind of business from the premises, you need to check that if the business thing is a route you are considering.


As above on our estate,no business use what so ever allowed from residential property.

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 17:06
judge dead

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Post #34
Tell them you need to carry out the work on you're car ure self because you cant afford to keep putting it into garages for every small thing that goes wrong. probly some w*** wanting the 80 quid for spotting a possible tax evasion. working without paying tax on it ect...
Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 17:40
binkagti

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Post #35
You are legally alound to start work at 7am till 11pm, i am a landscape gardener and where possible try not to use any loud machinery before 8am, on Mon however we had to clear 6 tree's before the builders were turning up with a digger, 7.50am i start the chain saw, within 3 mins i had a neighbour around going mental at me, i had printed what it states on the goverment website about noise pollution clearly stating the above times, i showed it to the lady and she walked off lol.

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 17:59
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Post #36
binkagti wrote:
i had printed what it states on the goverment website about noise pollution clearly stating the above times, i showed it to the lady and she walked off lol.


That's what you call forward thinking mate. Thumbs up
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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 18:16
darzmat

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Post #37
binkagti wrote:
You are legally alound to start work at 7am till 11pm, i am a landscape gardener and where possible try not to use any loud machinery before 8am, on Mon however we had to clear 6 tree's before the builders were turning up with a digger, 7.50am i start the chain saw, within 3 mins i had a neighbour around going mental at me, i had printed what it states on the goverment website about noise pollution clearly stating the above times, i showed it to the lady and she walked off lol.


ye i was pretty sure it was 11pm. i changed my struts one night when i got home after midnight, i live in a culdesac, and thankfully not a word was mentioned.

had hassle once out at my mates work shop. and we had a half hour long argument with this stupid bint that was sure it was a 9pm cut off.

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 18:23
jord294

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Post #38
binkagti wrote:
I had a neighbour around going mental at me, i had printed what it states on the goverment website about noise pollution clearly stating the above times, i showed it to the lady and she walked off lol.


That's interesting Hmm

Don't suppose you have a link to that please?

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 18:28
asim_pug306

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Post #39
This is complete bo***cks. How can anyone stop you from your hobby!? As long as your being reasonable with the amount of noise you make and the time you work then what the hell is the problem. I would be going mad if this happened to me, hope you can get it sorted mate.

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 18:29
darzmat

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Post #40
The Anti-social Behaviour Act 2003 amended the Noise Act 1996 and enables local authorities in England and Wales to tackle night time noise emitted from dwellings and gardens between the hours of 11.00 pm and 7.00 am. To enforce these powers local authorities must ensure that an environmental health officer takes reasonable steps to investigate complaints about noise emitted from dwellings. If the officer is satisfied that noise exceeds the permitted level, a warning notice may be served on the person responsible. If the warning is ignored, the officer may issue a fixed penalty notice of £100, enter the dwelling and confiscate the noise making equipment (obstructing confiscation carries a fine of up to £1000), or prosecute (fine up to £1000). In Scotland similar action can be taken under the Anti-Social Behaviour (Noise Control) (Scotland) Regulations 2005.An extension of the Noise Act came into force in February 2008, enabling local authorities in England and Wales to tackle night time noise from licensed premises.


http://www.environmental-protection.org.uk/noise/environmental-noise/noise-pollution/

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 18:36
owain

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Post #41
Firstly, please note I completely agree with you that it's overly heavy-handed and they're going about it the wrong way.

However, think if you were the neighbour - all you know is that there's a guy next door making a racket and possibly running a business he's not meant to be. My neighbour's dog never stops barking and that p**ses me off enough, I can only imagine what an air compressor must be like.

What's a shame is that they didn't just talk to you - if my neighbour came over and said look, your compressor's too loud, can you do something about it then I'd be fine with that - it can probably be built into a box for very little money, everyone's happy.

Councils however can't be bothered with getting into details and chats between people though, they'll just be hoping you accept their letter and shut the hell up, even though they probably know you won't.

They shouldn't threaten you, but you also shouldn't make loads of noise and p**s off your neighbours, that's not fair on them. The problem is that whilst rebuilding beams isn't your sole income, you do make profit from it - as soon as you're doing that it's no longer a hobby.

Whether you're doing anything illegal or not is yet to be seen, but you should perhaps consider what you can do to improve things for your neighbours - if they know you're a reasonable person (assuming you are) then they'd talk to you rather than the council next time, and you'll be free to carry on doing what you're doing unhindered.

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 19:18
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Post #42
Stab neighbour=no problems
Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 19:28
owain

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Post #43
roland rat wrote:
Stab neighbour=no problems


Different problems, perhaps.

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 19:31
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Post #44
owain wrote:
roland rat wrote:
Stab neighbour=no problems


Different problems, perhaps.


Nah just get a witness to give you an alibi that you were making loads of noise at the time with compressors and beams while collecting cash off customers.

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 19:38
ian7675

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Post #45
roland rat wrote:
Stab neighbour=no problems


Subtle, but effective.

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 19:48
roland rat

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Post #46
owain wrote:
roland rat wrote:
Stab neighbour=no problems


Different problems, perhaps.


Nah dead neighbours don't complain Wink
Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 19:51
owain

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Post #47
Depends, you never said "stab neighbour to death", you said "stab neighbour". Expect a follow-up letter from the council stating that now not only do you have an angry neighbour but now you have an angry neighbour with a kitchen devil sticking out of their leg.

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 19:53
dangti6

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Post #48
owain wrote:
My neighbour's dog never stops barking and that p**ses me off enough, I can only imagine what an air compressor must be like.


Plus if you thought the dog may be making an income in the process, you'd perhaps be inclined to complain.

While you may only rebuild the odd beam for a few quid, the neighbour in question doesn't perhaps see it as that. Unfortunately as you don't know who you're up against you can't just approach them without going door to door.

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  • Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 20:03
    owain

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    Post #49
    dangti6 wrote:
    Plus if you thought the dog may be making an income in the process, you'd perhaps be inclined to complain.


    Well that's exactly it - sometimes he's just barking at seemingly nothing, sometimes it's at the fence but sometimes he's on his phone, and I'm pretty sure he's barking at a sales department abroad somewhere, but I can't really hear the details.

    dangti6 wrote:
    While you may only rebuild the odd beam for a few quid, the neighbour in question doesn't perhaps see it as that.


    That's exactly my point - your neighbour just sees your working on cars half the time (which would be a *lot* for a hobby) and reasonably assumes it's your job, which it kinda is. If my neighbour made loads of noise outside my house doing far more work than could ever be just more than DIY I'd be p**sed off and would want them to shut the hell up.

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    Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 20:06
    sarahsix

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    Post #50
    You'll probably find that the council have a duty to follow any complaints up, they do this with an officially worded letter which sound scary, chances are that you'll reply telling them that you're not making lots of noise at all hours, and not doing it for reward (gifts or money) then they'll just let you carry on with what you're doing.

    My sister put a static caravan in our parents garden at the start of the year and the council wrote a letter saying they were contravening planning laws & that the caravan would have to be removed etc etc...one phone call from my mum is all it took to get an email of apology and a 'carry on as you are' from the council.

    Good luck with it all though Smile neighbours can be a right pain in the butt sometimes.

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