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stan_306gti6 Forum Admin

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Post #526
heidi6 wrote:
Congrats Stan and Jeffers, good work. Thumbs up


Thanks Kev, much appreciated. Smile

I hope in our new roles both Jeffers and myself can have a beneficial impact on the site, and give back what we as users have enjoyed over the years...Yes

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Posted 21st Feb 2012 at 18:08
khj100

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Post #527
Hopefully the appointments convince everyone that things are starting to move forward.

There's been a huge amount of constructive input on this thread, and I know that Ash has taken it all on board for forthcoming improvements.

I won't lock the thread, as I agree with Owain it's a good opportunity for more option. But I will ask why we have to have many negative comments from such a small number of people? I can understand those who have paid for membership being concerned if they're getting value for money, but those who haven't, IMO, you've made your point and now you can afford to zip it for a while.

For what it's worth, the Admin members were chosen because of their optimistic and helpful attitude towards the club as a whole - and from the feedback it seems that a lot of people agree, quite rightly, with the choices.

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Posted 21st Feb 2012 at 22:27
jsoulman

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Post #528
I sense a little 'old admin VS new admin' hatred going on here....
Posted 21st Feb 2012 at 22:47
khj100

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Post #529
jsoulman wrote:
I sense a little 'old admin VS new admin' hatred going on here....


Yeah, personally I've never met either of them, have no idea who they are and have spent all day resenting them Roll eyes

If it weren't for the fact I knew you really just wanted attention, I'd point out that I was really talking about you! Laugh

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Posted 21st Feb 2012 at 22:58
jsoulman

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Post #530
khj100 wrote:
jsoulman wrote:
I sense a little 'old admin VS new admin' hatred going on here....


Yeah, personally I've never met either of them, have no idea who they are and have spent all day resenting them Roll eyes

If it weren't for the fact I knew you really just wanted attention, I'd point out that I was really talking about you! Laugh



Damn you sussed me and my attention seeking ways!! I only ever wanted to be noticed by you. Roll eyes
Posted 21st Feb 2012 at 23:01
BrianM

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Post #531
captainash wrote:
I do play the cards close to my chest for a good reason. Even discussion with the admin team takes a long time, if i open everything up to public debate, nothing would ever get done. I understand that people don't feel involved in the decision-making process, but that's how it is.

Someone said I have an attitude of "like it or lump it" - a harsh way of describing the decision-making process......


gilesy wrote:
Essentially he's said he's quite happy to take your money but not listen to you.

/thread


Read a bit of that in there if I am honest. What's the point of paying for membership if decisions are only being made by a select few and some suggestions are automatically discarded in the "impractical" pile?

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Posted 21st Feb 2012 at 23:01
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Post #532
khj100 wrote:
I can understand those who have paid for membership being concerned if they're getting value for money, but those who haven't, IMO, you've made your point and now you can afford to zip it for a while.


Duly zipped
Posted 21st Feb 2012 at 23:02
dangti6

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Post #533
I think we need to appreciate that just because some members don't choose to pay, doesn't mean they don't have a voice and should 'Zip'.

Payments are made in return for perks. None of which I require, so I made that decision. It doesn't mean I should 'Zip'.

There are many long standing, highly respected members who chose not to pay. And have since actually become less active. Some knowledge and a portion of atmosphere has been lost because of this.

If you don't want to hear from people who haven't paid to enter competitions, ask for technical info and receive a larger PM capacity, then concider making the feedback section available for paying members only?

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  • Posted 21st Feb 2012 at 23:10
    billyboy99

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    Post #534
    what about Zippy...does he have to zip it too?

    Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 00:25
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    Post #535
    gilesy wrote:
    Essentially he's said he's quite happy to take your money but not listen to you.


    This kind of comment gets us nowhere. I've repeatedly said that EVERY suggestion gets heard an is welcome.

    quote:
    What's the point of paying for membership if decisions are only being made by a select few and some suggestions are automatically discarded in the "impractical" pile?


    You're paying for membership, not shares in the company. If you join a squash club, who do you think makes the decisions there?

    Also, seeing as you have no idea what random suggestions people send me, I don't think you're in a position to criticise.

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    Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 02:25
    buzzbrightyear

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    Post #536
    I not bitter i payed £10, at the end of the day I waste more than that on shite each week.
    This place is an essential part of life.

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    Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 04:35
    simonjames

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    Post #537
    I still think the only way to stop the 'i've paid/i dont see the point in paying' divide is to restrict more/all sections for non payers

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    Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 08:11
    jim01uk

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    Post #538
    simonjames wrote:
    I still think the only way to stop the 'i've paid/i dont see the point in paying' divide is to restrict more/all sections for non payers


    no.
    Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 08:13
    billyboy99

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    Post #539
    simonjames wrote:
    I still think the only way to stop the 'i've paid/i dont see the point in paying' divide is to restrict more/all sections for non payers


    said the guy who has paid

    jim01uk wrote:
    no


    responded the guy who hasnt
    Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 08:29
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    Post #540
    billyboy99 wrote:
    simonjames wrote:
    I still think the only way to stop the 'i've paid/i dont see the point in paying' divide is to restrict more/all sections for non payers


    said the guy who has paid

    jim01uk wrote:
    no


    responded the guy who hasnt

    Okay, so how do you suggest we get round this? I mean their must be some sort of compromise that would please all of you? Lets hear your ideas.....

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    Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 08:46
    dangti6

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    Post #541
    The ideas are bounded around repeatedly.

    I'l let someone else fight the corner on this one.

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  • Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 08:53
    jim01uk

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    Post #542
    There isn't a divide between those that have paid or not paid. I don't even understand what he means by it.

    Some chose to pay, some chose not to. Who gives a f*ck? I don't care if everyone chooses to pay or chooses not to. It makes no difference to me, and I doubt it makes a difference to anyone else. Anyone who turns around and says "I've paid, so should you" can ram it up their mum's chuff, as it's not their place to tell people to pay.

    Nothing needs doing about it. The only people who are moaning are those who think everyone should have to pay - simon, being the only one as far as I can see.

    Leave it as it is. Yes
    Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 09:03
    rikky 🦔

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    Post #543
    frustration is pretty much the only issue relating to the membership charges. people paid in good faith and it's not really got any better whatsoever and little [seems to have been] done to combat it. so now you've got all non-payers sticking stuff in general, people answering them and then the people who've paid feeling frustrated that they've effectively paid for absolutely nothing other than to prop the backbone of the club up without any gain over non-payers

    plenty of suggestions how to get around it, plenty of comments saying it's being done but what's going on really? who knows Unsure

    great, we've got new admin [whom i'm happy for btw Thumbs up] but the issues all remain. what can admin do? move the stuff posted by non-payers into the right sections and then everyone else answer it? [and the non-payer not be able to reply anyway LOL]

    seriously, how many people need password resets and forget their passwords?! how many people get banned daily? i appreciate admin probably get a lot of questions and stuff sent to them but i don't see that now membership is introduced that moving threads around makes much difference. from what it sounds like the new admin are just here to monitor stuff more, which is great, but they can't do anything else so ultimately it's up to ash to do what he sees fit

    there's been loads of threads about stuff to improve things here and there months and months ago Sad

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    Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 09:11
    jim01uk

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    Post #544
    delete any threads that are of a technical nature that aren't posted in the correct forum. No moving, just delete them straight off.

    Or do you move them, hoping it would encourage those that started the thread to pay in order to carry on with the questions and responses? Dunno
    Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 09:17
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    Post #545
    people are always going to post stuff in general though that's blatantly meant to go somewhere else but this is just life but moving stuff to other sections for all to see / members only to reply to feels a bit shit when you've paid to help improve the club and it isn't doing that LOL

    no idea what to suggest, maybe new users should post in an intro / newbies section first, where they're given basic info like where to post, how to join, fee etc..

    i think if this site was marketed and ran really well it'd be a great asset and you could get a decent amount of money through it.. it just seems to be you pay for nothing atall.. even when i joined the PSOOC years ago i think i got a flyer and a magazine every year showing events etc LOL

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    Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 09:21
    billyboy99

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    Post #546
    i would happily pay £20 membership to post technical questions but i dont because of the commonly pointed out fact that several members on here with great knowledge will not be able to afford to respond as they arent members either, for that reason even if i WAS a member, i would want to post in general to get a wider response.

    best solution.

    KEEP WEBSITE FREE....IT WORKED FOR FACEBOOK.
    i would keep it free and get money from advertising (pug1off has already started). however, i would either make membership £1 or do that thing where you charge £1 on their card and then return it to verify the account. This would keep trolls/duplicate accounts out.
    the website would then grow and can be floated on the stock exchange in 5 yrs
    Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 09:55
    simonjames

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    Post #547
    I'm not saying everyone should pay i'm just saying if theres a membership structure then it should be for everyone but say £5 flat rate for all, i'm sure most would pay a fiver, as rikky says us members who have paid do feel as though we've paid for nothing and i'd say come renewal time will think twice about paying

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    Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 10:10
    dangti6

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    Post #548
    I'm going to come in with a couple of pointers from a non paying member point of view - who doesn't require the perks of paid membership.

    Technical section:
    I haven't paid, so I can't ask questions - Fair enough. I can browse them though, yet if I want to provide some assistance with a question, I can't. Perhaps block it off completely, or allow non payers to respond, which helps people, yet not create new techincal threads. That keeps the information more substantial.

    Project section:
    I haven't paid, so I can't start a project thread - Fair enough. I can browse them though, yet if I want to congratulate someone, or write a few words of encouragement, i'm not allowed. Perhaps block them off completely, or allow non payers to respond but not create.

    Thoughts?

    What I will add, is that the easiest solution of just blocking off the sections which you would expect leaves people with little choice but to pay, actually maks them more resentful and loses them all together. The less you can see, the less you realise is available, and less likely you actually are to pay.

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  • Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 10:16
    billyboy99

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    Post #549
    simonjames wrote:
    as rikky says us members who have paid do feel as though we've paid for nothing


    you got a little medal next to your username didnt you...! shirley thats worth a fiver at least
    Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 10:16
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    Posted 22nd Feb 2012 at 10:23

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