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Post #26
roland rat wrote:
aphyx wrote:
Could pick up something a tad faster and get some change..
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Sorry but they are all awful cars and dont have a soft top like Graham wants Wink


Mate what's awful about a Skyline GTR? LOL

Yes the running costs are horrendous but as a driving experience they are absolutely top notch. Power, handling, sound - they have it all Thumbs up

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Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 14:54
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You could pick up something much older and more unreliable.
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EFA


>Nissan and Mistu unreliable
>From a 306 O/C

LOL LOL

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Post #28
^ But when anything goes wrong on a 306, £12 should cover it. When something goes wrong on a GTR, the bill is likely to be higher than the purchase price of a 306.

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  • Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 15:02
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    Post #29
    aphyx wrote:
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    aphyx wrote:
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    EFA


    >Nissan and Mistu unreliable
    >From a 306 O/C

    LOL LOL


    I would put good money on a tidy GTI 6 being much more reliable than a 15-20 year old skyline.

    And like Dan said parts are availiable and cheap for a 306.

    You don’t wanna be ordering overnight parts from Japan because you’ve been granny shifting and not double clutching Mr Paul Walker.

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    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 15:15
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    As an ex-R32 GTR owner I can agree on the running costs. I had to get new AFMs (one for each turbo) and they were £300 each!

    However I certainly wouldn't call them an awful car. There's a very good reason why they dominated the JGTC and Australian Touring Car championships for so many years, and consider that the car in Time Attack Pro Class last year that came second place was a 20 year old R32 GTR... the winning car was an 800bhp Impreza with a chassis design 10 years younger.

    Awesome cars, and I'd love to have another Big grin



    Back on topic though - how about a decent 350z? It'll have a lot more torque than the S2000 and even without the drop top it'll feel good on a summer day.

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    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 15:24
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    Boxster 2.7 and Carrera get mentioned, but everyone has a go at Nissan for servicing costs LOL

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    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 15:27
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    Boxster 2.7 and Carrera get mentioned, but everyone has a go at Nissan for servicing costs LOL


    911's are pretty much bomb proof though. My old boss did 125k in his and only ever paid for consumables. It was on an M plate.

    Plus a 911 is actually a nice car too. I can appreciate a R32 GTR is probably a rocket but its pretty nasty inside/outside. My GF's dad's old 997 Turbo was by far the the best car I have ever been in.

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    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 15:33
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    Post #33
    xaero1 wrote:
    roland rat wrote:
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    Sorry but they are all awful cars and dont have a soft top like Graham wants Wink


    Mate what's awful about a Skyline GTR? LOL

    Yes the running costs are horrendous but as a driving experience they are absolutely top notch. Power, handling, sound - they have it all Thumbs up


    As in my previous post he wants a soft top,i didnt think the skyline came as one Wink
    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 16:12
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    Post #34
    aphyx wrote:
    bennn wrote:
    aphyx wrote:
    You could pick up something much older and more unreliable.
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    EFA


    >Nissan and Mistu unreliable
    >From a 306 O/C

    LOL LOL


    He wants a soft top,which one of the 3 cars fit into that bracket? Wink
    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 16:12
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    roland rat wrote:
    aphyx wrote:
    bennn wrote:
    aphyx wrote:
    You could pick up something much older and more unreliable.
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    EFA


    >Nissan and Mistu unreliable
    >From a 306 O/C

    LOL LOL


    He wants a soft top,which one of the 3 cars fit into that bracket? Wink


    Just trying to give him a few different alternatives, this or this ticks all the boxes?

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    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 16:25
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    owain wrote:
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    For that money up front you can buy a real car

    Boxster 2.7


    Does not compute.


    Nor do you Whistle

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    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 16:26
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    How about a Lotus if you like small soft top sports cars.

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    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 16:31
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    Post #38
    123456 wrote:
    owain wrote:
    123456 wrote:
    For that money up front you can buy a real car

    Boxster 2.7


    Does not compute.


    Nor do you Whistle


    He computes for a living IIRC. I lolled when i saw you'd linked a boxter. I remember reading in one of Clarkson’s books about how he was driving the 2.7 boxter and got overtaken by a 1.3 nova SR.

    Not worthy of a Porsche badge IMO.

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    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 16:31
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    Hmm not sure a caterham would be the best for the motorway miles!

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    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 16:32
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    ian7675 wrote:
    How about a Lotus if you like small soft top sports cars.


    I will be getting one, but only once I can afford to buy a Toyota engined one and they're still around 16k. Good suggestion thoughThumbs up

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    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 16:33
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    Astra diesel twin top Whistle LOL

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    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 16:41
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    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 16:49
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    Hmm not sure a caterham would be the best for the motorway miles!


    this seems quite capable of munching some motorway miles Cool

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    I'm sure it would get through them no problem, just might not be the most comfortable place to be in this weather!

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    I'm sure it would get through them no problem, just might not be the most comfortable place to be in this weather!


    I think you need a manlier beard, if you have a big powerful beard you don't fear harsh weather conditions. LOL

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    Clicky - even surprised myself with that show of memory..


    Well done for remembering Jon! Thumbs up

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    You have to beat them with an angry stick to make them quick. They don't hang about, but unless you're really pulling the tits off of them they feel a bit wheezy.


    If you look at the torque levels you probably won't be impressed, and explains that view ^ that many share. The figure isn't far off the Rallye actually No.

    Indeed you do have to drive them hard to get the best out of them. Which is perfect, for me at least, it can be a lazy cruiser when you want it to be, but it can also shift when you want it to Smoke. You have the advantage of a big rev range to play with. On that note, its quite an involving car to drive, critics would argue it requires 'too much effort' to 'wind the car up' and hit the higher revs all the time but for me that's part of the fun of driving a NA car Cool.

    gman wrote:
    One thing I felt in the S2000, is the anal twitching that went on everything I accelerated going round a bend. I'm sure I would get used to it with time, but not having any decent RWD experience, it can be pretty unnerving!


    Big time! I've had the back end out on a few occasions when I did not expect it. Have to be real careful in greasy conditions, and just remember not to drive it like a FWD! The fact that torque levels weren't massive didn't bother me because the S2000 served as a great, gradual introduction to the world of RWD for me - power available when I open the taps an hit VTEC, reserved behaviour otherwise.

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    The S2K is a fantastic car but need to be looked after to get the best from them.The rear suspension bushes are prone to seizeing and are a costly repair if not looked after.other than that they seemed pretty sold when i wanted one before i bought my house Sad


    Yup, bushes is one of the biggest common problems. Not cheap to address if they're all seized up.

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    Cheers Ash, I'm aware of the seized bushes problems on these cars, which can be a real pain given that they are so sensitive to geometry changes. Trouble is, unless you want to pay to get the geometry checked, there is no way of knowing if they are seized before buying the car.


    You can, I went to BlackBoots aka Wheels In Motion to get mine checked. I informed the garage I purchased the car from that for any adjustments required on the bushes/geo, they'd be getting the bill. In the end, all bushes were fine, geo was within factory margins and the bill came to less than £120. But I was lucky enough to have picked up a one-owner car which had been serviced all its life at Chiswick Honda with no expense spared. There are some real dogs out there too, typically anything under £7k and it'd need work to get into good shape.

    gman wrote:
    The earlier ones had a more pronounced vtec kick, but after 2004, they are more refined.


    Honda cheated a bit with earlier model years, i.e. pre-04, by leaning out the mixture just before VTEC; this made it seem like the car made noticeably more power over 6k RPM. Not sure I'd like a 'jerk' on cutover anyway... mines on a 04 plate Smile.

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    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 17:13
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    Just to clarify, I think the s2000 is cracking car and is probably one of the best handling rear wheel drive cars you can buy, plus you get Honda reliability.

    VTAK just kicked in yo

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    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 17:44
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    Cant see the s2000 being much better than a vtech prelude to honest they are cool if your a Yo Sushi kinda guy.

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    Posted 12th Dec 2011 at 18:23
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    bennn wrote:
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    Boxster 2.7 and Carrera get mentioned, but everyone has a go at Nissan for servicing costs LOL


    911's are pretty much bomb proof though. My old boss did 125k in his and only ever paid for consumables. It was on an M plate.

    Plus a 911 is actually a nice car too. I can appreciate a R32 GTR is probably a rocket but its pretty nasty inside/outside. My GF's dad's old 997 Turbo was by far the the best car I have ever been in.


    They are by no means bomb proof. The engine in the 996 (the one in that pistonheads advert linked) has a fair few problems. I did read up on them with a view to buying one when I bought my Lotus. However the cost to repair them when they do go wrong is mind boggling (there's issues with the engine - liners going oval and something oil related) Add to that service items - brakes spring to mind - it's on an entirely different level cost wiseYes

    However they are both, the Boxster and the 911, fantastic drivers cars. The Boxster, believe it or not, is supposed to be a better drive than the 911 and the Cayman better than both. I've heard that even the turbo 911 is quite a boring and uninspiring drive once you get used to the speed etc. I've no experience first hand but I've read a lot about them prior to buying the Lotus and from the guys on the Lotus forum who have gone Lotus to Porsche back to Lotus . . . . simply because there's nothing like the feel the Lotus gives you - but that's another storyLOL

    Back on topic tho, I suggest you go out and test drive a few cars. It's the best and only real way to find out. Or if you know someone who has one see if you can get a pax ride. If you were interested in a Lotus I'd be happy to obligeSmile

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    ian7675 wrote:
    How about a Lotus if you like small soft top sports cars.


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