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Has anyone used the above in an aerosol can? The engine is out of the rallye and before the new one goes in I was thinking of doing the cam covers maybe inlet etc to tidy it all up a bit.
Any pics of results?!
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 martinh
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bideford Registered: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1,274 Status: Offline |
The engine is out of the rallye and before the new one goes in I was thinking of doing the cam covers maybe inlet etc to tidy it all up a bit. Any pics of results?! |
 Posted 13th Apr 2013 at 21:06
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro  Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
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I have had mine done with 2k epoxy primer then 2k red coat, it will outlast the engine  With the above paints plus some high build 2k primer it can get rid of the cast surface look of the cam covers too. VHT is ok to use but can be scratched easily and tbh doesn't do well with hot chemicals ie oil on it. If you get inlet powder coated make sure the inside is super clean as the sandblasting dust can damage the engine. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 13th Apr 2013 at 22:24
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matt evans
Seasoned Pro  Location: Stourbridge Registered: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 2,290 Status: Offline |
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I used the VHT red wrinkle paint on my cam covers and they are as tough as old boots, withstood brake cleaner, steam cleaner and all sorts of stuff on it. It's really hard wearing mate. ________________________________________ 1999 Astor Grey GTi-6 OEM+ (now gone...)2004 Aegean Blue 206 GTi 180 (also gone...) 2006 Skoda Fabia vRS in Sprint Yellow honestly3k wrote: Do you wrestle for a living matt? You sound like a monster owain wrote: Nothing involving a 306 can be considered worthwhile. |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 08:33
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daver6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
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I'm actually doing my cam covers next week with the black VHT wrinkle. Just heat the job up before you spray ________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 08:49
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beez_neez_gt
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It doesnt matter what they do its still 1k paint, for longivity all 1k paints are s**t.I was talking about standard vht paint, not used this crinkle stuff. However even 2k paint can get slightly affected by brake cleaber so i dont believe its good for that especially being 1k paint, as i have had a slight reaction using it.When my hot antifreeze went on standard 1k vht paint it stripped it off. The only downside to 2k paint is you have to use an air fed mask and air compressor and gun or pay someone to do it for you, at least then once you have spent time refitting them with a small amount of sealant you can forget about them. Same goes with powder coating, it isnt the best but better than any 1k paints, its an epoxy type substance anyways, just one layer though unless you also get primer powder coating too. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 09:07
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matt evans
Seasoned Pro Location: Stourbridge Registered: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 2,290 Status: Offline |
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beez_neez_gt wrote: I was talking about standard vht paint, not used this crinkle stuff. That's really helpful bearing in mind the thread title don't you think? ________________________________________ 1999 Astor Grey GTi-6 OEM+ (now gone...)2004 Aegean Blue 206 GTi 180 (also gone...) 2006 Skoda Fabia vRS in Sprint Yellow honestly3k wrote: Do you wrestle for a living matt? You sound like a monster owain wrote: Nothing involving a 306 can be considered worthwhile. |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 09:33
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daver6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
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matt evans wrote: beez_neez_gt wrote: I was talking about standard vht paint, not used this crinkle stuff. That's really helpful bearing in mind the thread title don't you think? ________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 09:35
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beez_neez_gt
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It makes no diference, its still 1k paint, just another name to make people buy more and who would want a crinkle finish if that is what it gives that is. I would use this type on stuff again but not on much. Iv used plenty of these so called 1k chemical 'risistant' paints and all so far didnt do what it says on the tin. I use to believe in all the hype of these types of paints, even one that says very durable which chipped quite easily yet the 2k stuff is very durable and tough.If you want something that will last and look great for ages go for 2k, im not sure this paint will last long on aluminium either and using etch first wont work as etch doesnt like too much heat. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 10:09
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro  Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
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beez_neez_gt wrote: It makes no diference, its still 1k paint, just another name to make people buy more and who would want a crinkle finish if that is what it gives that is. I would use this type on stuff again but not on much. Iv used plenty of these so called 1k chemical 'risistant' paints and all so far didnt do what it says on the tin. I use to believe in all the hype of these types of paints, even one that says very durable which chipped quite easily yet the 2k stuff is very durable and tough. If you want something that will last and look great for ages go for 2k, im not sure this paint will last long on aluminium either and using etch first wont work as etch doesnt like too much heat. Are you sure you don't work for a company selling 2k paints? It's all you seem to talk about ________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 10:11
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matt evans
Seasoned Pro Location: Stourbridge Registered: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 2,290 Status: Offline |
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beez_neez_gt wrote: I was talking about standard vht paint, not used this crinkle stuff. Again - Let folks answer who have ACTUALLY used the stuff the OP was asking about FFS. To the OP, ignore Mr "2-pack" above and use the crinkle paint. Prepped properly its tremendously hard wearing. This is how the rear cam cover of mine looked when it had been done..    ________________________________________ 1999 Astor Grey GTi-6 OEM+ (now gone...)2004 Aegean Blue 206 GTi 180 (also gone...) 2006 Skoda Fabia vRS in Sprint Yellow honestly3k wrote: Do you wrestle for a living matt? You sound like a monster owain wrote: Nothing involving a 306 can be considered worthwhile. |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 11:09
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coskev
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
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jamiek_uk2000 wrote: beez_neez_gt wrote: It makes no diference, its still 1k paint, just another name to make people buy more and who would want a crinkle finish if that is what it gives that is. I would use this type on stuff again but not on much. Iv used plenty of these so called 1k chemical 'risistant' paints and all so far didnt do what it says on the tin. I use to believe in all the hype of these types of paints, even one that says very durable which chipped quite easily yet the 2k stuff is very durable and tough. If you want something that will last and look great for ages go for 2k, im not sure this paint will last long on aluminium either and using etch first wont work as etch doesnt like too much heat. Are you sure you don't work for a company selling 2k paints? It's all you seem to talk about He's just very opinionated and never wrong And I don't think he preps surfaces correctly judging by all the trouble he has with any other paints bar 2k  ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 11:15
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
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jamiek_uk2000 wrote: beez_neez_gt wrote: It makes no difference, its still 1k paint, just another name to make people buy more and who would want a crinkle finish if that is what it gives that is. I would use this type on stuff again but not on much. Iv used plenty of these so called 1k chemical 'resistant' paints and all so far didnt do what it says on the tin. I use to believe in all the hype of these types of paints, even one that says very durable which chipped quite easily yet the 2k stuff is very durable and tough. If you want something that will last and look great for ages go for 2k, im not sure this paint will last long on aluminium either and using etch first wont work as etch doesn't like too much heat. Are you sure you don't work for a company selling 2k paints? It's all you seem to talk about No i dont. There is a good reason for that, its because iv been there, done, tried them all and found that the 2k stuff is the best type you can get for most things, 2k epoxy primer is the very best of all, epoxy 2k primer is good for aluminium blocks and parts too without the need for etch of which is useless with regards to a lot of heat. If i did sell it there would be no point as most cant spray or cant afford the air fed mask tools to use this type of paint, these costs add up but for me well worth it so you paint it once and once only and lasts. This crinkle stuff would be good enough for those that dont want to fork out for all that stuff or get them pro painted etc. If something is worth spending a lot of time with prepping etc then you might as well use a paint that will last a very long time. I use brake cleaner to clean the oil etc on cam covers etc, that is all you need to make sure its spotless, i cleaned mine up a few times as the oil dirt etc really gets into the pours etc. As for the finish its not for me, at least you wont be able to see if it starts to go bad as it looks like it is already I bet its hard to clean up with all them dimples in the finish. fook off coskev he never asked you and i am trying to help others not being opinionated s**t you tripe about. You are incorrect i am wrong at times and iv addmitted that but you never have. I know how to prep and fooking paint you plep, 1k is s**t ask any pro painter that same question, only good if the cars colour only comes in 1k then use 2k clear coat. When things are done correctly and it still goes bad its the paint not me, this is my experience of it. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 11:29
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
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matt evans wrote: beez_neez_gt wrote: I was talking about standard vht paint, not used this crinkle stuff. Again - Let folks answer who have ACTUALLY used the stuff the OP was asking about FFS. To the OP, ignore Mr "2-pack" above and use the crinkle paint. Prepped properly its tremendously hard wearing. This is how the rear cam cover of mine looked when it had been done.. DAT ENGINE Hnnnghh ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 11:45
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daver6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
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beez_neez_gt wrote: jamiek_uk2000 wrote: beez_neez_gt wrote: It makes no difference, its still 1k paint, just another name to make people buy more and who would want a crinkle finish if that is what it gives that is. I would use this type on stuff again but not on much. Iv used plenty of these so called 1k chemical 'resistant' paints and all so far didnt do what it says on the tin. I use to believe in all the hype of these types of paints, even one that says very durable which chipped quite easily yet the 2k stuff is very durable and tough. If you want something that will last and look great for ages go for 2k, im not sure this paint will last long on aluminium either and using etch first wont work as etch doesn't like too much heat. Are you sure you don't work for a company selling 2k paints? It's all you seem to talk about No i dont. There is a good reason for that, its because iv been there, done, tried them all and found that the 2k stuff is the best type you can get for most things, 2k epoxy primer is the very best of all, epoxy 2k primer is good for aluminium blocks and parts too without the need for etch of which is useless with regards to a lot of heat. If i did sell it there would be no point as most cant spray or cant afford the air fed mask tools to use this type of paint, these costs add up but for me well worth it so you paint it once and once only and lasts. This crinkle stuff would be good enough for those that dont want to fork out for all that stuff or get them pro painted etc. If something is worth spending a lot of time with prepping etc then you might as well use a paint that will last a very long time. I use brake cleaner to clean the oil etc on cam covers etc, that is all you need to make sure its spotless, i cleaned mine up a few times as the oil dirt etc really gets into the pours etc. As for the finish its not for me, at least you wont be able to see if it starts to go bad as it looks like it is already I bet its hard to clean up with all them dimples in the finish. fook off coskev he never asked you and i am trying to help others not being opinionated s**t you tripe about. You are incorrect i am wrong at times and iv addmitted that but you never have. I know how to prep and fooking paint you plep, 1k is s**t ask any pro painter that same question, only good if the cars colour only comes in 1k then use 2k clear coat. When things are done correctly and it still goes bad its the paint not me, this is my experience of it. The OP isn't a pro painter and wants to use aerosol, so I'm guessing he doesn't want to pay s**t loads just to have some wrinkled cam covers. f**k 2k paint, f**k masks and compressors. Clean them, heat them, spray them. If after your nightly engine cleaning sessions with gallons of brake spray, you find the finish lifting, then you know you should have paid to have it done.. or set up your own paint shop ________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 12:20
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
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Only usually use bake cleaner on bare steel where oil has been mostly, other stuff i use panel wipe a few times over. Brake cleaner flashes off very quickly anyway so no it wont be the cause, cause its only down to it being 1k pile of s**t stuff, iv sprayed a lot of stuff in my time and know what im doing. When i did floor pan i completely cleaned it using bake cleaner and its perfectly fine as other parts iv done. Oh and when i used panel wipe on an area that was covered in oil i did get a primer reaction, i used brake cleaner after sorting it out and all is fine.There will always be something missed granted, but as any pro painter will say, 2k is the superior paint to use, any and i mean any 1k is s**t because its only 1k, as said iv tried them all just about and just because its a new paint saying its this that and the other means nothing, experience tells me its s**t. Iv used manifold paint, done the prep properly as usual and after a few drives all this paint has peeled off. Manifold was sandblasted to bare metal, i did everything right yet its substandard stuff, bigged up by the commercial manufacturers. I always follow the paints instructions as well in case they have a certain time between coats etc. Try scrapping 2k with a screwdriver and do the same with 1k and you will see the difference, both will eventually come off but the 2k will take far more effort in my experience.  I guess it all depends on how long you want it too look good and costs etc, as said if anyone wants to use it due to these reasons its fine, im just saying there is better stuff to use and looks much better imo too. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 13:45
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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Brake cleaner usually flashes off too fast to take the oils and dirt off the panels with it, it just leaves it behind, hence panel wipe....________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 13:46
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beez_neez_gt
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Not if applied on the cloth then wipe off with a clean dry one it dont, depends on which type you use too. Proper greased oiled up parts need brake cleaner as panel wipe in my experience did a s**t job. Dependant on job i do use panel wipe afterwards too, it can never be too clean.________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 13:57
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coskev
Seasoned Pro Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
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beez_neez_gt wrote: jamiek_uk2000 wrote: beez_neez_gt wrote: It makes no difference, its still 1k paint, just another name to make people buy more and who would want a crinkle finish if that is what it gives that is. I would use this type on stuff again but not on much. Iv used plenty of these so called 1k chemical 'resistant' paints and all so far didnt do what it says on the tin. I use to believe in all the hype of these types of paints, even one that says very durable which chipped quite easily yet the 2k stuff is very durable and tough. If you want something that will last and look great for ages go for 2k, im not sure this paint will last long on aluminium either and using etch first wont work as etch doesn't like too much heat. Are you sure you don't work for a company selling 2k paints? It's all you seem to talk about No i dont. There is a good reason for that, its because iv been there, done, tried them all and found that the 2k stuff is the best type you can get for most things, 2k epoxy primer is the very best of all, epoxy 2k primer is good for aluminium blocks and parts too without the need for etch of which is useless with regards to a lot of heat. If i did sell it there would be no point as most cant spray or cant afford the air fed mask tools to use this type of paint, these costs add up but for me well worth it so you paint it once and once only and lasts. This crinkle stuff would be good enough for those that dont want to fork out for all that stuff or get them pro painted etc. If something is worth spending a lot of time with prepping etc then you might as well use a paint that will last a very long time. I use brake cleaner to clean the oil etc on cam covers etc, that is all you need to make sure its spotless, i cleaned mine up a few times as the oil dirt etc really gets into the pours etc. As for the finish its not for me, at least you wont be able to see if it starts to go bad as it looks like it is already I bet its hard to clean up with all them dimples in the finish. fook off coskev he never asked you and i am trying to help others not being opinionated s**t you tripe about. You are incorrect i am wrong at times and iv addmitted that but you never have. I know how to prep and fooking paint you plep, 1k is s**t ask any pro painter that same question, only good if the cars colour only comes in 1k then use 2k clear coat. When things are done correctly and it still goes bad its the paint not me, this is my experience of it. bellend I would spend abit more time forming your brake pipes and wiring to match your super dooper 2k paint if I was you ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 14:43
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Takedown
Senior User  Location: Holland Registered: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 845 Status: Offline |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 14:47
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
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That looks epic too^And the fuel rail! ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 18:40
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matt evans
Seasoned Pro Location: Stourbridge Registered: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 2,290 Status: Offline |
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Listen, the Painting expert knows best. I've just been in the garage to attack a spare pair of cam covers I painted up in VHT wrinkle red and guess what? He was unimpressed..... ________________________________________ 1999 Astor Grey GTi-6 OEM+ (now gone...)2004 Aegean Blue 206 GTi 180 (also gone...) 2006 Skoda Fabia vRS in Sprint Yellow honestly3k wrote: Do you wrestle for a living matt? You sound like a monster owain wrote: Nothing involving a 306 can be considered worthwhile. |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 19:11
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clen666
Seasoned Pro  Location: Co. Durham Registered: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 2,401 Status: Offline |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 19:33
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Takedown
Senior User Location: Holland Registered: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 845 Status: Offline |
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Bulls**t,i did it for the first time, sprayed a lot on it it you compare it to normal painting, turned out not that good... added A LOT MORE PAINT, let it dry overnight and it was perfect! I really needs A LOT OF PAINT to cure to a very nice small grainy surface, when you spray not enough it wont look good.   Guess the paintexpert needs to learn how to paint wrinkle LMAO |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 19:35
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Takedown
Senior User Location: Holland Registered: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 845 Status: Offline |
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And beezneez, thats bulls**t, its hard as nails... and wont be affected by gasoline, brakecleaner,oil or whatever!get your facts right |
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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 19:36
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jord294
Seasoned Pro  Location: somewhere in north wales Registered: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,110 Status: Offline |
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not emigrating now martin??________________________________________ FRESHLY RE-FURBISHED GTI BEAMSFITTING AND LOWERING AVAILABLE. ALL AXLES BUILT USING GENUINE PEUGEOT PARTS IF I'M NOT HERE, IT ONLY MEANS ONE THING.... I'M SOMEWHERE ELSE! |
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