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Takedown

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This also needed more paint to get a better finish, it will dry up nicer with much smaller grains then this
Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 19:38
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That looks crack-a-lackin ! ive used 1k paint before and it very good stuff and is well priced compared with the pro tooling needed for 2k paint

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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 19:38
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Hmmm some mixed opinions there then!!

I will have spare cam covers etc so think I will give them a go! I'm definitely not a pro painter but do understand the importance of preparation and know which end of the aerosol can to use!!!

Someone mentioned to heat it up before painting, is that just a gradual heat with a hot air gun so its just warm to touch or.....
Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 19:55
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Just warm to touch, most paints get much better bond strength around 40-50*c surface temp or so.

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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 19:56
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Ideal thanks.

Not meaning to throw fuel in the fire of this debate but can someone explain in idiots terms the difference between 1k and 2k paint? Had a quick google but not a definative answer or atleast one that I understand!!
Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 19:59
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2k you have to mix a hardener into which makes the paint dry, 1k dries in air - which is what most aerosols/household/DIY paints are.

2k usually requires a spray gun/compressor setup, air fed painting mask, somewhere to spray it (it's often carcinogenic so the neighbours won't thank you), plus decent temperature regulation for the panels.
Upside is it tends to have a lot higher solids content, so you need less of it to cover a panel, it can often adhere better and is generally a lot harder/more wear resistant.

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Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 20:04
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Perfect. Thanks mate. Atleast I know now!
Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 20:09
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coskev wrote:
beez_neez_gt wrote:
jamiek_uk2000 wrote:
beez_neez_gt wrote:
It makes no difference, its still 1k paint, just another name to make people buy more and who would want a crinkle finish if that is what it gives that is. I would use this type on stuff again but not on much. Iv used plenty of these so called 1k chemical 'resistant' paints and all so far didnt do what it says on the tin. I use to believe in all the hype of these types of paints, even one that says very durable which chipped quite easily yet the 2k stuff is very durable and tough.

If you want something that will last and look great for ages go for 2k, im not sure this paint will last long on aluminium either and using etch first wont work as etch doesn't like too much heat.


Are you sure you don't work for a company selling 2k paints? It's all you seem to talk about LOL



No i dont.

There is a good reason for that, its because iv been there, done, tried them all and found that the 2k stuff is the best type you can get for most things, 2k epoxy primer is the very best of all, epoxy 2k primer is good for aluminium blocks and parts too without the need for etch of which is useless with regards to a lot of heat. If i did sell it there would be no point as most cant spray or cant afford the air fed mask tools to use this type of paint, these costs add up but for me well worth it so you paint it once and once only and lasts. This crinkle stuff would be good enough for those that dont want to fork out for all that stuff or get them pro painted etc.

If something is worth spending a lot of time with prepping etc then you might as well use a paint that will last a very long time. I use brake cleaner to clean the oil etc on cam covers etc, that is all you need to make sure its spotless, i cleaned mine up a few times as the oil dirt etc really gets into the pours etc.

As for the finish its not for me, at least you wont be able to see if it starts to go bad as it looks like it is already LOL

I bet its hard to clean up with all them dimples in the finish.

fook off coskev he never asked you and i am trying to help others not being opinionated s**t you tripe about. You are incorrect i am wrong at times and iv addmitted that but you never have. I know how to prep and fooking paint you plep, 1k is s**t ask any pro painter that same question, only good if the cars colour only comes in 1k then use 2k clear coat. When things are done correctly and it still goes bad its the paint not me, this is my experience of it.


LOL bellendThumbs up

I would spend a bit more time forming your brake pipes and wiring to match your super dooper 2k paint if I was youThumbs up


Well your the one that felt the need to opinionated your opinion of someone that was not called for, as ever on forums Thumbs up

I have re-newed every little part of that car, every nut bolt, all new wiring just about etc inc starter wire that fails, anything dirty or in a bad state has been replaced or restored, nothing to fault on my car at all bar ones own taste. I like how the brake pipes look when looking at the engine bay from the front, each to their own and all that. No one looks at an engine bay at that position with the bonnet fitted LOL

As for the brake reservoir wiring, that is the OE length and iv tightened the cap nice and extra tight which stretched the wiring a bit more, so hopefully no leaks will cause the usual 205 paint damage underneath. No point soldiering a longer piece im not that anal like some and would look s**t too having a bulge in the middle of it LOL

Anyway that is an older photo, quite a few bits have changed since. The paint iv used isn't for looks so much its more for its longevity and no one can say it wont look that good in ten years time, i cant say that for any 1k paint alone.

The price for that crinkle stuff is quite high, you have to buy primer, cleaner etc, so it says. The Honda engine picture makes it look really good, kinda reminds me of F1 similar race cars etc but for me i prefer the shiny smooth look, easy to keep clean etc. As Phillip says 2k has a stronger grip to the surface and harder wearing, the reason i went for it myself, as well as being chemical resistant too, the hardener can also contain an acid/corrosive type substance so its like etch primer which gives 2k primer its high adhesion abilities. I used VHT on the thermo housing and with the antifreeze leaks during bleeding being hot it just stripped the VHT off a bit, so eventually ill repaint it using 2k stuff, no worries then Thumbs up

Here are the brakes using the same colour and paint inc high build to rid the cast surface look, new struts will be bought in time as the cost for the ones i want is over a grand Big grin

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Posted 15th Apr 2013 at 01:28
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I hate standard brakes being painted and pointed out unless theyre 4 pots or bigger Wink
Posted 15th Apr 2013 at 11:39
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I hate standard brakes being painted and pointed out unless theyre 4 pots or bigger Wink


But you are a nutter with brake size issues! Laugh my ass off

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Posted 15th Apr 2013 at 12:09
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I hate standard brakes being painted and pointed out unless theyre 4 pots or bigger Wink


I hate rusty hubs - good job Tommy 2 pack doesn't though...LOL

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Posted 15th Apr 2013 at 12:13
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Unless there's an Aston/Ferrari/Brembo logo, red calipers are bent.

As for your VHT paint dropping off after water hit it, I'd guess you're not the painter you think you are!

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Posted 15th Apr 2013 at 17:53
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daveyboy wrote:
Takedown wrote:
I hate standard brakes being painted and pointed out unless theyre 4 pots or bigger Wink


But you are a nutter with brake size issues! Laugh my ass off


Hahahahaha
Posted 15th Apr 2013 at 23:24
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You know what they say about people needing bigger brakes, their braking ability maybe s**t !!

I like to keep things OE as much as possible. Plus smaller wheels give quicker times on track than bigger wheels fact, not forgetting having to use big wheels that dont suit the car. Horses for courses etc, however if they both were that good everyone would have them.

Big brakes great for long stints, no so for cornering using max power wheels lol. Imo 4 pot is far more than enough for our light weight pugs. Not forgetting using the best pads make the biggest difference, 1pot or 4, i dont see the need for any more than 4 brembo type calipers.

For me the 15 inch wheels i have are very light, some very strong and the rest look really good that suit my car. Its not all about high power, more to driving and cars than that.

Lets just make things clear, if you like the crinkle look go ahead, you like the rat look go ahead, you like the shiny look go ahead. None of it matters what others like or dont, what matters is you like it, big brakes or small its your choice on what suits you and your driving style and cars spec etc.

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Posted 16th Apr 2013 at 00:08
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As per usual, the thread has gone completely off topic and everyone ends up arguing. No wonder people aren't renewing their subscription LOL

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Posted 16th Apr 2013 at 00:17
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daver6 wrote:
Unless there's an Aston/Ferrari/Brembo logo, red calipers are bent.

As for your VHT paint dropping off after water hit it, I'd guess you're not the painter you think you are!


You serious or trolling? Hot antifreeze isnt just a bit of water on it at all, until you know what you are talking about and have the experience to back it up then go ahead LOL 1k is s**t and always has been compared to others. The vht didnt peel or drop off it bubbled off when antifreeze went on it cause its 1k, the metal had been keyed back super clean so i suggest you start to realise this and stop making out im s**t at painting with nothing to back it up. As you can ckearly see in pictures my painting is very good, you dont get results like that if you dont know how or what you are doing.

Same when i split brake fluid on vht it peeled off where it dripped on it and the rest is as it was perfectly fine. When brake fluid went on 2k it was fine and still is.

Quite silly when people seem to think ones experience was down to ones own mistakes not the crappy paint Thumbs down...

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Posted 16th Apr 2013 at 00:29
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There shouldn't be an issue with single pack paints and antifreeze, 90% of them will actually slightly increase in bond strength with prolonged contact with diluted glycol (although neat will stain/etch it), weird.

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Posted 16th Apr 2013 at 00:31
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My coolant is the super cool stuff, orange non diluted, not the standard type if that makes any difference, the rest of the thermo is fine and will send pictures to show what i mean. When it came to bleeding the coolant i had a feeling it would get paint damage from it but the thermo was done before i started to use 2k paints, a few years ago.

I know not always standards maybe fully met but as said iv painted a lot of stuff in my time and the problems i have had has come from the above situations. I fully understand how to prep properly, as said i clean items etc twice or more using new cloths or towelling etc just like all the other parts that are fine after painting. The 2k problem was i think down to brake cleaner getting under the very edge of the paint line somehow as it was just a tiny bit.

Iv gone off using 1k paint nowadays, why use a lesser product when better stuff can be used.

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Posted 16th Apr 2013 at 00:44
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Why drive a old s**t 306 when you can get a Porsche
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