So, what you're saying is, the signs in their current form were NOT legal, as it was a "discussion" trying to get them approved as opposed to actually approving them.

End of the day, laws are like a tennis court. It was either in or out, and in this instance it's out, therefore making the enforcer (in this case the Police) look a laughing stock.

With the attitude you're showing, it's not hard to work out what you're profession is for those which didn't already know.

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They are Ian, they are.

For example, if I drive down the road and get pulled over by a Police Officer, who decides to inspect my car and finds a defective tyre an offence has been committed.

I will be given a 3-point endorsement and a £60 fine to pay because of it. There is a law, and I've found myself on the wrong side of it, and therefore there is my penalty. I *could* of course opt to go to court and see what they say about it. Once the judge had gone over the evidence and found that indeed my tyre was defective as the Officer stated, I would still have my points and probably an even bigger fine for trying to be clever in the first place and not pay the fixed penalty.

Same thing being discussed here.

If you go through these variable speed limit cameras too fast and you get a ticket, it's not enforceable because the equipment used "catch" you falls on the wrong side of the law and therefore does not stand.

It's a clear cut thing, especially with traffic offences. Yes, we have courts and judges and jurys for different kind of crimes where evidence is hard to ascertain like murders/burglaries etc, and this is because people have not been "caught" red-handed and therefore investigation has to take place and then courts determine whether or not people are guilty based on the evidence they have. With traffic it's fairly simple. You were driving (this is proven), you got flashed on the camera doing say 76mph in a 60mph variable limit, £60 fine and 3 points for you.

Whereas in actual fact, this time it's the motorist which seems to be able to have the last laugh.

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Yes, ok it may not be enforced black and white.

For example, you can get caught speeding and have a stern talking to by the officer who has "caught" you and be let on your way, a "warning" as such.

However, cameras don't have this ability to show common sense. If you are clocked at a speed over the threshold set on the device, you're getting a ticket simple as that. And that's fine, IF that is the way the law wishes to operate. However, if they wish to operate in this manner then they themselves have got to absolutely squeeky clean. And as this article clearly points out, they haven't been.

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I totally agree it's petty and there will be/already has been a great deal of time wasted on it, however it is correct. You could say a Police Officer was being petty if your tyre was (in your opinion) borderline being illegal and he issued a ticket regardless.
Or perhaps if an MOT tester failed your car on nothing other than a Magic Tree hanging from the rear view mirror as it's *technically* a failure.

We would all argue it's stupid, petty and time wasting, however laws are laws and how far do you go taking no action before you say "that's seriously bad, you'll be having a ticket for that"?

It's the laws of the land that are "petty" and therefore the motorist can't really be blamed for taking pleasure in being "petty" in return by putting two fingers up to the enforcers when they've got it wrong...

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Well, yes why not? If somebody is going to 'enforce' a system then the system itself needs to be accurate and correct. If you weren't allowed to venture onto a certain part of the road for example, however the markings painted down were either inaccurate or unclear and you ventured into it, subsequently receiving a heavy fine on your doormat would you feel aggrieved and unfairly treated, or would you just telephone the payment office and pay it without question?

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The problem with this kind of thinking is that it's people with opinions like this who *create* all the red tape and ridiculous expense that they invariably go on to complain about. If people just had common sense, it'd save billions a year in taxpayers money by not having to put in every single stupid rule people can think of.

Okay, so say those signs turn out to not be legal. One of two things will happen:

1) The law will have to be changed to make them legal from now on
2) The signs will all be thrown away and replaced with the new font

Either way, it's going to cost millions of pounds of taxpayer's money. If you really think that's worthwhile then great, but you can shut the hell up complaining about "political correctness gone mad", or "health and safety", because it's people like you who have created the entire situation in the first place.

If people would just use common sense, these stupid rules and expenses wouldn't have to be put in.

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In leicester they have made a road just for bus and taxis and if a car went down youd get a ticket. Now if there was no signs or it were misleading I'd argue it. But the fact of the matter is this 60 sign was clear and understood by people on the road. If that sign wasn't clear I'd understand more.

I can see where you're coming from stan but this isn't a perfect world and the law isn't black and white. Yes speed cameras seem more or less that because its a machine but people have disgression and it is used in aid of the public a lot of the time. Yet that is always under looked.

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This is another terrible point on your part I just noticed, and yet again shows your "I know best" attitude. That sign has been set by a guy who knows exactly what roadworks and hazards are ahead of you, has cameras to see accidents miles ahead and things going on that you can't possibly see, and they just plain and simple know better than you do what's a safe speed.

But no, I'm sure you know better than them, so just plough on through at whatever speed because it's 3am, don't worry about the guys standing in the road trying to work without having to shut the road, for your benefit. You just clatter through them and let someone else explain it to their kids.

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So you think there should either be no rules at all, or every possible thing down to the font of road signs should be governed to the millimetre? That's what you're saying?

I think if you stopped reading the Daily Mail quite so much you'd realise that we're incredibly free to do more or less whatever we want in this country, as long as it's within some well-defined rules that are largely (although not entirely, I admit) there for the benefit of the country as a whole.

FFS you'd think we were living in Syria the way you're moaning on. Governments are like teachers: they're not there to be liked, they're there to do a job because the likes of you and I have absolutely no idea what goes into running a country, and we'd f**k it right up if these people weren't there to push us in the right direction.

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Well Stanley if those are your opinions then best of luck to you

Thanks for wanting to waste all our money. Oh, and read some proper news once every so often so you can realise quite how good we all have it.

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Oh I dunno, the massive majority of countries in the world?

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Okay, just a selection of today's world news for you Stan:

Nigerian militants murder seven hostages

70,000 dead and a million refugees in Syria

Over 150 burned down in anti-Christian protests in Pakistan

Israel introduct Palestinian-only bus services

Afghan police offer throws himself at a suicide bomber to limit casualties by bomb blast to just eight children

Mexico's tourism minister assassinated

Saudi Arabia is looking into the possibility of implementing executions by shooting and not decapitation

Bulgarian man who set himself on fire to protest about the government has died, the third in the country this year

Riots after a judge orders death sentences for 21 people after a football crowd riot in Egypt

But no you're right, our country's gone to s**t, you can't even cane past a school at 80mph these days

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