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monkeyman
Seasoned Pro Location: Sunny St Albans Registered: 01 Oct 2008 Posts: 1,955 Status: Offline |
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Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 13:09
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Chris28190
Senior User Location: . Registered: 15 Apr 2012 Posts: 736 Status: Offline |
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Because the numbers are the wrong size? f**k off! Anything for them stupid solicitors to get there claws in. I'm sure as hell they are clear and no doubt everyone will jump on the band wagon and say how 'miss leading the sign is'. ________________________________________ Cherry Rallye '99 - Sold |
Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 13:19
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
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If they expect us to obey the rules well so should they, simple..________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 13:31
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marksorrento205
Seasoned Pro Location: Airborne in the lanes Registered: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2,223 Status: Offline |
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Don't speed and you wont get caught - that is simple!________________________________________ How to do a clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 13:34
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jsoulman
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 19 Apr 2006 Posts: 13,662 Status: Offline |
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marksorrento205 wrote: Don't speed and you wont get caught - that is simple! But speeding is cool! |
Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 14:13
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Chris28190
Senior User Location: . Registered: 15 Apr 2012 Posts: 736 Status: Offline |
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beez_neez_gt wrote: If they expect us to obey the rules well so should they, simple.. But that sign is readable. Just because it's a font size out doesn't equate to speeding does it... Plus it's 60 there so I'm going to assume there is a hazard, slow moving traffic or road works ahead so you shouldn't be speeding in the first place. What's the world coming to when people are let off with speeding due to font size? EVERYONE who drives are aware of the limits and the consequence if they chose to disobey. ________________________________________ Cherry Rallye '99 - Sold |
Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 14:37
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phil b
Seasoned Pro Location: Market Drayton Registered: 25 Aug 2006 Posts: 3,090 Status: Offline |
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Not if you've been warned.... Used to make me chuckle when I commuted daaaaaaan saaaaaaaffff all these suits caning it________________________________________ '97 PH1 'Sigma Blue' 306 GTI 6 project 'Tooters'194.2bhp 127.6 dB '96 PH1 'Black Noir' 306 DTurbo (project in permenant storage) '94 300tdi LR Discovery (project gone dead and buried) '99 td5 LR Discovery 2 (trailer tug and family bus) project 'in the garage getting chassis welded' (again) The 6 can go fast, the disco can go anywhere Built: 9 January 1997 - that's a Thursday Skip Brown cars: tarporley Cheshire Tel: 01829 720492 add me --> philbrindley85@hotmail.com TEAM: Snapper |
Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 14:37
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ian7675
Techno Viking Location: Gloucestershire Registered: 12 Oct 2007 Posts: 6,068 Status: Offline |
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beez_neez_gt wrote: If they expect us to obey the rules well so should they, simple.. That's a ridiculous comment. ________________________________________ Less than 24 hours to go! |
Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 14:48
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
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Why is it, road signs have to be a certain style as do number plates, if they cant do what the traffic rules say they have to be then too right people should not be done for it, whether its readable or not is not the point, point is the law states we have to not speed and signs have to be a certain style as like number plates.So what you are saying is they can break the law when we cant, two way street in this country and its their own fault for not having road signs legal. Iv not been done for speeding, but rules are rules and both sides have to obey them, even politicians that use their wife to get away with it. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 16:20
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Chris28190
Senior User Location: . Registered: 15 Apr 2012 Posts: 736 Status: Offline |
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So this warrants speeding? 'Incorrect sign' 'Correct sign' ________________________________________ Cherry Rallye '99 - Sold |
Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 16:38
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marksorrento205
Seasoned Pro Location: Airborne in the lanes Registered: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2,223 Status: Offline |
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jsoulman wrote: marksorrento205 wrote: Don't speed and you wont get caught - that is simple! But speeding is cool! ________________________________________ How to do a clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 16:41
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darzmat
Senior User Location: nairn Registered: 14 Jan 2011 Posts: 879 Status: Offline |
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last week the speed camera van that goes around the fort william area got pulled over by the police because it had run out of mot 6 weeks previous.so everyone that's been caught speeding since, by that van are getting off with it because the van shouldn't have been on the road ________________________________________ 1997 blaze GTI-6 bought january '11 £800 Spend to date on parts £827.88 |
Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 16:52
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
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Im not saying its good they got away with speeding, they should get done but if the inforcement has not done their part by the book then they dont have a right to do the public even if they were speeding, thats the law. The law maybe an ass but thats how it is.Its all about having a level playing field, then its a fair cop as they say. I know if i was doing the correct speed then get done for speeding just because their radar was not calibrated id be p**sed. Speeding is wrong but everyone does it no matter how much they say they never have. Im not saying it warrants speeding, people would have seen it and know its 60 but choose to speed. What is wrong is how thin the 60 is compared to the correct one. If it was raining with bad visability then the thin style one will be hard to see when going around that speed. There is a reason why signs have to be a certain style. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 9th Mar 2013 at 18:26
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rich306
Seasoned Pro Location: Portsmouth Registered: 09 Aug 2009 Posts: 1,834 Status: Offline |
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I'm sorry but this is hilarious!! You can tell that it says 60.. so how the hell can these people have an excuse?!! ________________________________________ Richies Project RallyeElectrical work carried out in Portsmouth jamiek_uk2000 wrote: - Top Tip!!! You'll need to throw money at the car. Not on parts. Just stand near your car and throw loose change at it, I find this increases performance for a short period of time |
Posted 10th Mar 2013 at 08:26
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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I have to say I agree with Beez here, the law would be first to jump on you for a number plate which was perfectly readable however isn't the *correct* font and therefore is illegal.Same applies for their fonts IMO. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
Posted 10th Mar 2013 at 10:34
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ian7675
Techno Viking Location: Gloucestershire Registered: 12 Oct 2007 Posts: 6,068 Status: Offline |
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stan_306gti6 wrote: I have to say I agree with Beez here, the law would be first to jump on you for a number plate which was perfectly readable however isn't the *correct* font and therefore is illegal. Same applies for their fonts IMO. Yeah but their fonts on signs don't have equipment designed specifically to recognise the letters and numbers like ANPR cameras on the road and those in fuel stations. There is a reason why plates are supposed to be a certain format. ________________________________________ Less than 24 hours to go! |
Posted 10th Mar 2013 at 10:55
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
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rich306 wrote: I'm sorry but this is hilarious!! You can tell that it says 60.. so how the hell can these people have an excuse?!! It's not about having an excuse, it's about the limit not being legally enforceable. Clearly there isn't an excuse as the signs are perfectly readable, but that doesn't change the fact that they are not valid and enforceable speed limit signs. ________________________________________ Rich |
Posted 10th Mar 2013 at 11:18
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midlife
Seasoned Pro Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
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Hojol Uddin ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!!Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
Posted 10th Mar 2013 at 11:21
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
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ian7675 wrote: There is a reason why plates are supposed to be a certain format. This. The difference is that a human can clearly read a road sign with a different font. Rich E wrote: Clearly there isn't an excuse as the signs are perfectly readable, but that doesn't change the fact that they are not valid and enforceable speed limit signs. Also exactly this. No-one is saying that it excuses their speeding, just that if a technicality can get them off a few points, then great. I'm kinda torn on this one. Yes if you're speeding and get caught, tough crap. However, if someone told you that all you had to do was complain about the font and you'd lose those points, I bet you would. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 10th Mar 2013 at 11:34
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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ian7675 wrote: stan_306gti6 wrote: I have to say I agree with Beez here, the law would be first to jump on you for a number plate which was perfectly readable however isn't the *correct* font and therefore is illegal. Same applies for their fonts IMO. Yeah but their fonts on signs don't have equipment designed specifically to recognise the letters and numbers like ANPR cameras on the road and those in fuel stations. There is a reason why plates are supposed to be a certain format. Number plate laws were around before ANPR existed, so I don't think that really stands up. I can see why the plates need to be that way for ANPR, but it doesn't explain why the law existed in the first place... ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
Posted 10th Mar 2013 at 11:34
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
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It existed before that for the likes of normal Gatsos and such, which were good enough quality to read a standard plate, but didn't have film or lenses good enough to read plates in small font or stupid brush script (remember those?).Either way it's to stop you making your number plate unreadable, which is fair enough. If someone hit you and drove off, you'd be p**sed off if they had a silly number plate you couldn't read. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 10th Mar 2013 at 11:39
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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Agreed, however the point still stands.If we as motorists have to obey the laws (as we should), so should the people creating the laws, thus creating a right and proper playing field. If law makers were lenient with the people who must abide by them, then fair enough it wouldn't matter as such, however because the laws are straight down the line with severe punishments then I'm just as pleased to 'catch' them out just like they are when they 'catch' us out. It works both ways. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
Posted 10th Mar 2013 at 11:48
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
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Yup, I think I'd agree with that. It's not about the actual incident so much as the principal. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 10th Mar 2013 at 12:03
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
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Exactly ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 10th Mar 2013 at 12:48
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Chris28190
Senior User Location: . Registered: 15 Apr 2012 Posts: 736 Status: Offline |
Post #25
But it's not as simple as that. I believe since 2006 they have been in discussion to have this font within the law too. They say it's clearer than the other style. I think some lawyer has got wind of the discussion and saw it as an opportunity to line his/her pockets and enrage people through media.I think this particular sign has been used from 2008 onwards but only from November 2012 you might get away with speeding fines. ________________________________________ Cherry Rallye '99 - Sold |
Posted 10th Mar 2013 at 14:03
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