Stan's up for it.

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How much we talking?

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Violent crimes like what, murders? A lot of murders are committed spur of the moment, by accident, when drunk etc. Imagine you were out on a Friday night, you got pretty p**sed and got into a fight with some guy you just pinched you girlfriends ass. You turn around and punch him and later on he dies from head injuries. Would you rather have at least 15 years in prison where you will only come out after if you have proved you a reformed person, or would you rather be publicly hanged in front of a booing crowd?

Either way, neither punishment stopped you from hitting that guy cus he pinched your girlfriends ass.

Capital punishment are you mad? The country doesn't need that and there are so many reasons not to have it!

Also just to highlight Stan, it has been proven that it don't work as a deterrent.

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I disagree, at certain times the government will take steps to eliminate threats to national security through military means, the military and police have been called upon on numerous occasions to end terrorist or hostage situations with lethal force, this one one end of the scale a vbery immediate form of capital punishment. If I took a hostage and pointed a gun at their head in central London, I would expect (rightly) a bullet in the head from an armed response unit in short order. Not many people have a problem with this.
I don't see how this is much different to executing a psyhcopath, a terrorist or anyone else who has proved beyond reasonable doubt that they pose an immediate or ongoing threat to society.

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So here is an honest thought that went through my head during a meeting this week. let me know what you think.

Just so you know, I dont work with spastics anymore, I now work with kids in care. The ones i've dealt with have gotten sexually abused, gang raped, had a tough upbringing blah blah... all nasty s**t. BUT, all these kids in care are little c**ts and go out and commit crimes, get involved in drink and drugs from an early age, have no respect for the law or anyone they come across. So a lot of them they will grow up in a life of crime, no doubt in and out of prison, like their parents. Some might say 'can you blame them due to what they've been though?' others might say, 'just cus you've been gang raped, no need to be a c**t about it' .

So my thought was, we need a cutting off point. Why not put all these kids on a separate island like in Lord of the flies and let them die off. They wont grow up here and commit crimes and they wont breed, cus no doubt their kids will be exactly the same.

So that thought literally popped into my head at one point during a meeting. So, what would you say? Stick em on a separate little Island like Lord of the Flies, or try are damnedest to help these kids build a positive future for themselves? Baring in mind there are roughly 700 kids in care in Bristol alone..

As said the human rights idea originally came from Churchill a right wing member so... Euro have taken over the idea. I believe in human right myself but more for the victim rather than the crim.

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It doesnt really work like that. These kids see quite a few people, social workers, care workers, psychologists etc. All have their different roles, and some will tell them to man the f**k up, whilst some will take the kid climbing and have a good old friendly chat with the kid to see how they are deep down. But what you have to remember is when the kids are together they instantly forget anything they have been told because they want to show off to their friends. Get a few together and thats it, peer pressure will take over and of course they will be drinking, smoking and doing petty crimes together.

Im not saying this is the case for every kid in care, but from what I have seen, its defo a majority.

But, then they can become pope I suppose...

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They are in care, they dont have parents Or if they do, they are in prison.

But thats the point. Like I said, there needs to be a cut off point because it will just keep continuing in a massive cirle with their kids, and their kids kids etc and I dont think any change of law will ever stop that.