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jammapic

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Post #101
OK, so it appears that I took 2 teeth off the crown wheel on the diff, and whilst the diff itself seems ok, it's full of metal swarf so will need rebuilding, I'm taking it to the Quaife office this afternoon.

The reason it wouldn't start again after is simple, the pieces of metal bust their way through into the bellhousing and ripped out the crank position sensor. Balls.

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Posted 9th Jul 2013 at 10:18
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Post #102
I've found out why it went bang... such a stupid little thing.

Theres a bracket immediately above the gearbox, bolted to the head, which you use to lift the engine out of the car... one of the bolts unscrewed itself and dropped down in the conveniently placed hole into the bellhousing immediately below.

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Posted 18th Jul 2013 at 17:09
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Post #103
How did it get from inside the bell housing into the gearbox/diff housing and destroy the crownwheel??

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Posted 18th Jul 2013 at 17:48
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Post #104
It smashed its way through the inside of the casing into the diff housing. I assume it got stuck between the flywheel and the casing Sad

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Posted 18th Jul 2013 at 18:02
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Post #105
you actually found the bolt?

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Posted 18th Jul 2013 at 18:47
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Post #106
Yep, inside the diff housing, smashed to bits!!

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Posted 18th Jul 2013 at 18:49
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Post #107
Right, long overdue update here.

Fixed the gearbox, dropped in a recon unit, refitted Quaife diff and happy days.

Found out my "cam upgrade" was a total fail, scored the f**k out of the cams. So they came out and have been sent back.

Back to stock cams, and missing any kind of real power, I bought these on a whim:



People said, what's the point of doing that on stock cams - it will make no extra power.

I was also told time and time again that aftermarket management such as Emerald or DTA was the only way to go and that it "wouldn't work right on stock management".

Ever the tight Yorkshireman, and wanting to again do something "different to the norm" as I did with my old DTurbo - I decided to call on the help of the Chip Wizard, up here in Rochdale. Wayne Schofield has an excellent reputation with all things Peugeot, so I thought if anyone could do it - he could...

So, I headed over to Wayne's unit with the car now totally stock, other than a K&N apollo air filter and Longlife systems 2.5" stainless exhaust with sports cat and lightly advanced inlet cam.

We ran the car up like this, seeing a healthy 177hp. About right given the tame breathing mods and advanced inlet cam timing.

After a couple of Jaffa Cakes it was time to whip the standard inlet off. Easy job, loads of you have done it - needing nothing more than some basic tools and a new gasket for refitting (if you do!)





With the manifold off, the fuel lines needed modifying to suit the Jenvey throttle bodies - really just a case of cutting them down and using some bits of Porsche fuel pipe lying around in the workshop.

Once we'd done this, we cut off a few tabs of metal on the Jenvey bodies to give us good clearance for things like the dipstick and throttle linkage:



Last but not least was modifying the throttle cable to fit the Jenvey set up, easily done by a bit of cutting and trimming:



Once fitted, plumbed in and bolted up it was time to test fire the car, on the stock mapping... suffice to say it ran like crap, coughing and spluttering - not surprising given half of the connectors it was expecting to see weren't plugged in!!!

Despite that - the car still managed 194hp even with all the pops and bangs!



This graph really shows us where even on stock mapping and running like crap, the Jenveys help us to gain, also quite surprising was the fact we didn't lose TOO much torque low down - which was a bit of a concern:



So, now to the mapping... It was getting late on into the evening now - and with a mammoth live mapping (running the car directly from the laptop) session ahead of us... we cracked open the ECU and tucket into some biscuits:



Wayne started reading the file - and tried to explain to me and Chris (Brynllwynog2) how the ECU referenced different values, loads, RPMs etc...





We hooked the car up to an emulator box, essentially allowing Wayne to run the car directly from his laptop in the car, and optimise the mapping on the go whilst simulating different load and RPM conditions on the dyno and watching the feedback from the wideband lambda hooked up to the exhaust:








Next came the huge, job of mapping.

This was no "let's map it for headline power figures" exercise. Wayne spent literally 6 hours optimising every single load and RPM site in the ECU, ensuring that the fuelling was spot on across the board for the new found airflow provided by the Jenvey bodies.

Only when he was happy all of the part throttle, full throttle and transient fuelling was absolutely spot on did he begin the power runs. The first couple of runs showed 197, 198 and 199hp - so tantilisingly close to the magic 200hp. Thankfully, Wayne said "there's a bit more to come out of this yet, hang on..."

With a few more tweaks on the laptop and the timing and fuelling optimised to their full, we saw 204.9 bhp and 170.3 lb/ft


The final graph shows the first run, with the stock intake and mapping and only basic mods giving 177.8 bhp and 151 lbft, and then back to back runs of the stock mapping with Jenveys, giving 194.7 bhp and an erroneous torque reading unfortunately (spike when dipping the clutch on the dyno) and the final map with Jenveys giving 204.9 bhp and 170 lb/ft.



All in all with the stock power figures being 167 bhp and 145 lbft of torque we can see that light breathing mods and some modest cam timing changes can yield us a 10 bhp and 6 lb/ft gain, with Jenveys giving a whopping 38 bhp and 25 lb/ft gain over stock.

I have to say a personal thankyou to Wayne at Chip Wizard for putting in so much time, care and attention to detail on this and I would urge any of you to use him as your tuner... he REALLY knows his stuff, petrol or diesel.

The car pulls cleanly and strongly through all the gears and drives, dare I say it, better than a stock one. Certainly smoother and with far better throttle response. As they say, it's "how it should have left the factory!!"

Hopefully this will allow a few more GTi-6 owners to go down the throttle body route, without the need for full blown aftermarket management systems!!!

Let's see what happens when we throw some cams into the mix.....

Cheers for reading,

JP

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:14
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Post #108
Great result James Cool

Have heard nothing but good stories about Wayne Yes

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:24
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Post #109
thought wayne had gone working for a Porsche place and packed up shop?

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:28
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Post #110
I think he does a lot of work for the Porsche place (that's where I went) but still works for himself using his workshop at Porsche (ninemeister).

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:32
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Post #111
Nice result James!

i bet it sounds great too!
Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:33
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Post #112
Sounds like an animal mate!

Only driven it once, then back in the lock up and back to work today unfortunately Sad

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:35
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Post #113
Do you want that column mate?

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  • Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:37
    jammapic

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    Post #114
    Yes please Dan.

    I guess for completeness vids are probably in order!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg3tP01Npgs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631PNf9bIIs

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    Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:57
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    Post #115
    That a great result, make me want throttle bodies even more
    Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 19:33
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    Post #116
    very smart!

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    Posted 5th Aug 2013 at 16:56
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    Post #117
    jammapic wrote:
    Yes please Dan.


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  • Posted 5th Aug 2013 at 17:08
    matt evans

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    Post #118
    Always a good read James. Looks like you might be onto something there with the OE management mods.

    Looking forward to the updates.

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    Posted 5th Aug 2013 at 22:35
    jammapic

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    Post #119
    Another little vid...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUrn6_I3xiA

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    Posted 18th Aug 2013 at 19:18
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    Post #120
    Simply superb.
    Eager to see what a better set of cams unleashes
    Posted 18th Aug 2013 at 19:54
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    Post #121
    That should be in the next couple of months... Unfortunately we are in the middle of buying another house to let, so the money is going into prepping that for tenants Sad

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    Posted 18th Aug 2013 at 20:06
    jammapic

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    Post #122
    OK, so a little update...

    These arrived in the post:



    So stripped down:



    Took old out and compared:



    Re-fitted:





    Timed up:





    and while it was all in bits, removed this:



    blocked this:



    and fitted this:



    Which gives plenty of space for my new longer venturis and big filter / backplate:



    and now stands like this:



    In for mapping next week Smile

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    Posted 24th Oct 2013 at 19:51
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    Thumbs up

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    Posted 24th Oct 2013 at 20:04
    superchargedblack1997gti6

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    Post #124
    Looking good mate. sounds good on the youtube vids too!

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    Posted 24th Oct 2013 at 20:25
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    Post #125
    How long did it take to do the cam change? Never considered doing any engine work but want to give it a go at some point.

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