I'll look into getting one of those plugs!
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![]() Seasoned Pro ![]() Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #26
The Brembos were great, just a pain about the warping. Not sure if I did it or that's how they were, possibly me but I'm fairly sure I warmed them up well enough first.I'll look into getting one of those plugs! ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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![]() Seasoned Pro ![]() Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #27
Just realised the 17 point is a bolt in cage. Are bolt in cages ok? What sort of protection do they offer vs. a full weld in cage?________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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![]() Seasoned Pro ![]() Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #28
They're absolutely fine, but do remember that (somewhat unintuitively) a bolt-in requires metal plates to be welded in first for you to bolt the cage to - the standard shell just isn't strong enough to have a cage bolted or welded to it. I heard it summed up well once - a bolt-in will save you, a weld-in will save the car. Basically in a big off a bolt-in will keep you safe, but your car will be a write-off. With a weld-in, however, the cage actually offers significantly more structural strength to the car, so the car is less likely to be destroyed. However, let's be realistic for a second here. These are not £500k touring cars, they're not the latest Evo X rally car, these are s**tty fifteen-year-old piles of French tin. If you rolled the car enough to be thankful for a cage, chances are you're not going to be going back to the pits, pumping up the tyres and getting back on track. Personally, I'd go for a bolt-in. You just need to find somewhere reliable to weld in the plates, then you can install the cage yourself, saving you a tonne of cash. They offer the safety aspect, but don't add anything in the way of rigidity; a weld-in will therefore help improve handling, but only if fitted properly, i.e. quality gusseting everywhere it's near the shell, cage actually in contact with roof panels etc, and that's a multi-thousand pound install. BIRCFTMFW. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Post #29
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Post #30
If you count the cost of the hair replacement therapy, yeah....________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Post #31
I would add that IMO, a bolt in cage will offer a small amount of additional stiffness. My Escort RS turbo had a SD 6 point bolt in cage, and without it, when you jacked the front wheel up, the doors would be a bugger to open and shut, with the cage in they opened and closed fine, meaning to me the shell was distorting less.Totally agree about the massive torisonal stifness offered by a propper multi point weld in cage, especially to the suspension pick up points etc etc. Overkill on a £500 quid french s**tter? Who knows? ________________________________________ 1999 Astor Grey GTi-6 OEM+ (now gone...)2004 Aegean Blue 206 GTi 180 (also gone...) 2006 Skoda Fabia vRS in Sprint Yellow honestly3k wrote: Do you wrestle for a living matt? You sound like a monster ![]() owain wrote: Nothing involving a 306 can be considered worthwhile. |
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![]() Seasoned Pro ![]() Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #32
With the eventual aim to go racing, I think I should go for the weld in option. ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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![]() Seasoned Pro ![]() Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #33
demondriverdan wrote: With the eventual aim to I agree. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Post #34
owain wrote: demondriverdan wrote: With the eventual aim to I agree. Give me time! ![]() ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Post #35
Youtube video is now up for the entire session: http://youtu.be/PcLxbkp0eLA Actual session starts at around 4:30. ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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![]() Seasoned Pro ![]() Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,640 Status: Offline |
Post #36
Personally i'd go for a weld in cage, made the world of difference to the stiffness of my chassis. ![]() EDIT: I have KW V2's on mine too, bought them second hand and not had any issues with them so far. ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Post #37
Phwoar, you dirty bas**rd________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Post #38
owain wrote: Phwoar, you dirty bas**rd ![]() ![]() ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Post #39
Been having a think and have decided to shift the 15"s on and get some 16" TD 1.2s instead.The regs of the series I want to race in have changed so I no longer need to run standard size alloys. As a result, I'll move up to 16"s. While this has the disadvantage of more expensive tyres, I don't have to run spacers and I can move on the 406 Brembos for some bigger calipers that don't require me to run £220 discs! ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Post #40
Everyone I ever know who's sat down and said "right, I'm going to figure out what wheels I need for track" has ended up with TD Pro Race 1.2s. Every one. You have PM ![]() ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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![]() Seasoned Pro ![]() Location: In the garage Registered: 29 May 2005 Posts: 3,488 Status: Offline |
Post #41
I figured out what wheels I needed for track.... Compomotive MOs :pIn 16" though everyone seems to go to TD PR1.2s ________________________________________ I'm Si btw![]() Night Blue VW Golf GTD Bianca LBSC Rallye - Track/Road Slag Project Thread Sparkling Silver Mini Cooper D - Super Dooper ![]() |
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Post #42
I've been searching for ages trying to find an alternative to the 1.2s, I'm struggling to find something that matches the weight in the correct fitment________________________________________ Team 'unintentional rat look' |
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Post #43
Exactly. Perfect balance of weight, strength and looks. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Post #44
I love the look of them as well, just reminds me of BTCC! Having spent waaayyyy to much time in the pits at BTCC, it's amazing the amount of cars that run them.________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Post #45
I'm waiting to hear back from ATS, but they take their time replying to emails________________________________________ Team 'unintentional rat look' |
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![]() aka Jim Davey ![]() Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #46
ATS do a lighter wheel than 1.2s, thye make to order too so centrebore and offset can be exactly what you need.![]() ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Post #47
Bit of an update, been slowly acquiring bits and bobs in prep for the Xmas hols from Uni when I can start working on it again. Current bits bought are 23.5mm rear TBs, hybrid ARB and Gaz Golds. Also a second hand fuel pump / sender courtesy of Dan (gauge isn't working, first part to replace to try and get it working).![]() ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Post #48
Very little progress on the car recently as I've been away at uni. Now finished my course so started to look in to prices for the bits I need to get the car to a good level. Thoughts on the below?Suspension - Roller bearing bushes £230 - Top mounts £135 - Upper strut brace £90 - Lower strut brace £120 - Adjustable drop links £80 - Solid rear beam mounts £130 - Misc rear beam rebuilt parts £50 Total: £835 Brakes - 310mm brake kit £550 - Brake lines (exterior) £68.95 - Brake lines (interior) £150 - Bias valve £30 - Carbon Lorraine RC6 pads £163.88 - Rotors £150 - Brembo discs (rear) £27.92 - Greenstuff (rear) £36.34 Total: £1,177.09 Wheels / Tyres - TD Pro Race 1.2s 16" £300 - Federal 595RSRs £376 Total: £676 Interior - Rollcage parts £500 - Rollcage fitting £500 - Flocked dash £100 - Door cards £50 - Race seat £240 - Harness £150 - Extinguisher £100 - Electrical cut-off £22 Total: £1,662 Engine - Gulf Competition Oil £45 - NGK Iridium Spark Plugs £12 - Fuel filter £6.60 - K&N filter £50 - Oil filter £5.50 - Crank pulley £65 - Lightened flywheel £150 Total: £334.10 Complete total: £4,684.19 ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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![]() Seasoned Pro ![]() Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #49
Swap the rear Greenstuff for Mintex 1144's from RallyDesign.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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![]() Seasoned Pro ![]() Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #50
phillipm wrote: Swap the rear Greenstuff for Mintex 1144's from RallyDesign. Done, cheers ![]() Did you get my PM about the cage? ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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