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thugpuggin

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Post #451
rikky wrote:
except those who paid LOL


Would that equal breach of contract?

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Posted 18th Feb 2012 at 21:03
owain

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Post #452
Certainly people would have to be refunded, yes.

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Posted 18th Feb 2012 at 21:08
lukejenks101

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Post #453
Maybe it would be a good idea if the forum did get updated that unpaid members dont get access certain forums, if you go on the mk5golfgti forum if you are not registered (the site is free) then you cannot access most of the sub forums and a few forums, I know this has been mentioned but also you cannot post in the for sale section without at least 25 posts, Here is what the forum is like logged in and not logged in

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Posted 18th Feb 2012 at 21:09
owain

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Post #454
The old Coupe forum I was on had something similar, I think only the technical forums were available until you paid, so to get in on the banter you had to stump up some cash.

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Posted 18th Feb 2012 at 21:12
thugpuggin

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Post #455
Luke with the tat you sell from Pug you should pay tbh Whistle

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Posted 18th Feb 2012 at 21:17
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Post #456
I guess its because there are a lot more peoplel on there but they also have an individual mod to each forum, and then admins above them, but as i said there are a lot more people on there (390 most online today)

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Posted 18th Feb 2012 at 21:18
lukejenks101

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Post #457
thugpuggin wrote:
Luke with the tat you sell from Pug you should pay tbh Whistle

I help people out and get no personal gains out of it so Laugh

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Posted 18th Feb 2012 at 21:20
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Post #458
keeps you in a job LOL

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Posted 18th Feb 2012 at 21:24
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Post #459
I dont get as much business as i used to on here to be fair LOL

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Posted 18th Feb 2012 at 21:28
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Post #460
maybe if you answered your PM's you would Razz

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Posted 18th Feb 2012 at 21:42
scott dt

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Post #461
owain wrote:
tcrallye wrote:
You sound passionate, why not do it?


Because, despite the number of these threads there have been and no matter how much no-one seems to care, it would still feel very much like dumping on Ash and this place. If he came along and said "I don't give a f*ck, do whatever you like" then I'd be on it in a second.

However until that happens (or enough people decide it's what we need), it'll probably just remain an idea.

EDIT: Having two forums tends to lead to rivalry rather than competition, seen it happen before and it's entirely down to who takes who's side, sadly. Never a good situation to be in but sometimes inevitable.
Just to add my two cents here having done exactly this in the last few months. On pug306.net there was a lot of downtime, the site was having lots of errors, community spirit was going downhill and nothing seemed to be being done (again, this was for over a year). When people complained they were told "a lot of work goes into running a club, if you don't like how things are done here then go and start your own" or something to that effect, so along with another user on here (fooby) we started a new club...People can find it if they want, I'm not here just to advertise.

There is a lot of work that goes into running a club behind the scenes, and it can be difficult especially since we all have jobs and personal lives, however it's not impossible to do and is very much manageable if you are enthusiastic and willing to put the time in, and also if you have a decent team of moderators.

Also just to comment on the rivalry side of things...even if the staff have no hard feelings, that does not mean to say that the members of the club will feel the same. It is just one of those things, and most people will eventually forget or will happily use both sites, however there will be people that will once in a while make a comment in bad taste or try to kick things off again.

I don't mean any disrespect to Ash in what I've said by the way, I'm just offering my opinion having done this just a few months ago.

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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 11:23
owain

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Post #462
scott dt wrote:
There is a lot of work that goes into running a club behind the scenes, and it can be difficult especially since we all have jobs and personal lives, however it's not impossible to do and is very much manageable if you are enthusiastic and willing to put the time in, and also if you have a decent team of moderators.


Definitely and interesting read that, Scott - and I couldn't agree more that there's a lot of work to do. I freely admit I wouldn't have time to organise meets, or probably even moderate posts; that's why I think it's important to have a good team of people behind it who can all be trusted to do their bit. Responsibility needs to be shared rather than hoarded.

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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 11:37
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Post #463
I thought of copy and pasting owains essay in jammamayjew pic style but it was that long I couldn't be arsed.

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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 11:47
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Post #464
buzzbrightyear wrote:
I thought of copy and pasting owains essay in jammamayjew pic style but it was that long I couldn't be arsed.


Dunno

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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 12:16
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Post #465
heidi6 wrote:
buzzbrightyear wrote:
I thought of copy and pasting owains essay in jammamayjew pic style but it was that long I couldn't be arsed.


Dunno


He's being a prat. Yes

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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 12:25
scott dt

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Post #466
owain wrote:
scott dt wrote:
There is a lot of work that goes into running a club behind the scenes, and it can be difficult especially since we all have jobs and personal lives, however it's not impossible to do and is very much manageable if you are enthusiastic and willing to put the time in, and also if you have a decent team of moderators.


Definitely and interesting read that, Scott - and I couldn't agree more that there's a lot of work to do. I freely admit I wouldn't have time to organise meets, or probably even moderate posts; that's why I think it's important to have a good team of people behind it who can all be trusted to do their bit. Responsibility needs to be shared rather than hoarded.
From reading the thread you linked to where Ash was asking for for more administrators, I can see his point of view though where he has normally had people who he knows personally. You need to be able to trust staff members not to give the club a bad name by p*ssing off members unnecessarily, and also when contacting events organisers, and sometimes that sort of thing can be difficult to gauge where the only interaction you've had with people requesting to be staff is through posts you've read on the forum.

I'm not sure if Ash is reading this thread, and I'm also not sure what hosting package this site is on (webfusion?) but I'd be willing to sort something out with Ash regarding hosting if need be, there's plenty of space on our (dedicated) server. I'm pretty sure I've seen someone else mention this but thought I'd throw it out there.

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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 13:28
owain

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Post #467
I completely agree it's not going to be easy to start handing power to people you don't know, but at the moment even Kev and Jimmy don't seem to be able to make changes without Ash, and they don't seem to talk to him more than any of us do.

It's a community, and it should be treated as such. No-one likes the party host who spends the whole time in his bedroom with some skank rather than out checking his guests are okay, especially when they've paid for tickets.

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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 13:34
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Post #468
owain wrote:
It's a community, and it should be treated as such. No-one likes the party host who spends the whole time in his bedroom with some skank rather than out checking his guests are okay, especially when they've paid for tickets.


A very good analogy, and one which makes the point extremely well.

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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 13:42
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Post #469
Well Im all for a new forum and i would happily help in any way i can. this place is w*nk and people have been offering suggestions and solutions for months. people volunteer for admin an admin position thread is opened then ignored

despite all the optimism on this thread, whilst ash is in control of this site it will never progress. it is becoming pretty clear that ash is content on taking our money and letting us all complain. do you honestly think he has even seen this thread?

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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 14:28
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Post #470
mcfc1987 wrote:
this place is w*nk


This is unhelpful and harsh.

mcfc1987 wrote:
do you honestly think he has even seen this thread?


Yes, I do and I'm sure you will see some action soon. If you took the time to have some passion and respect for the forum/cars/members you may see that some of us are actually trying to set this site on a path in the right direction to enable it to a, continue and b, improve...

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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 15:04
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Post #471
I really don't believe it is harsh. it is a very poor forum and if it wasn't for the type of members we have on here making it entertaining people would have left a long time a go. every change made made to the forum has made it worse. i do not think anything will change despite your best efforts and mild mannered approach.

however i would love to be proven wrong and hope that you do get some sort of position within the forum hierarchy as you seem genuinely enthusiastic and likable as opposed to the rest of us ball bags x x

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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 15:24
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Post #472
stan_306gti6 wrote:


mcfc1987 wrote:
do you honestly think he has even seen this thread?


Yes, I do and I'm sure you will see some action soon


Awww the world needs more deluded optimists like you...does you shit stink btw?
Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 15:30
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Post #473
As for "Admins" reading this thread, I've been following it since it began.

owain wrote:
...at the moment even Kev and Jimmy don't seem to be able to make changes without Ash, and they don't seem to talk to him more than any of us do.

I'm glad you recognise this Owain because it's spot on.

I've always held back from expressing my thoughts openly on the forum because I count Ash as a personal friend and have respect for him, whatever he choses to do. However, I'm getting sick of getting tarred with the same brush, being blamed and mocked for the lack of action. Even though I don't know that many of you personally so it shouldn't matter to me, I don't particularly want to go down with the ship so I'll tell you how I see it.

stan_306gti6 wrote:
dangti6 wrote:
Stan, I do worry that you will go blue in the face trying to make changes happen
I would rather have tried and failed then never to have bothered trying at all. Yes

owain wrote:
Written properly, and with someone passionate in charge (Hello Stan) it could be awesome, but it needs to happen asap or everyone will leave and it'll be too late as they'll no longer be in contact.

Having known Stan for many years I'm not surprised by his conviction and enthusiasm - a welcome addition to an admin team - but the implications that the Admins you've already got don't care really saddens me. I still have huge passion for the club and, having been member for nearly 10 years and having met some of my closest friends here, I really want it to be saved.

Over the years, and even up to the last few weeks, I've made a lot of suggestions on how to improve the site for its users. But as Owain said, "Admins" have no access to the code, the pricing/membership or any other decisions about how it is run. All I can do is write these down, demonstrate to Ash how they could be made to work, and hope he picks up the ideas as quickly as possible. Just as many of you seem to have done, I've pretty much given up trying.

dangti6 wrote:
As I have mentioned before, Ash selling up would sort the issue if we are honest. If Admins are going to take over the writing of code, making changes and pricing etc, will Ash have much of an interst in it? He hasn't had for the last 6 months.

Similiar to Owain, with a technical background in Web Development, I've offered to program up some of the features I've suggested. I've offered previously - way before membership was introduced - to buy the site from Ash and try to move it forward - even if Ash retained the many of the profits. In fact, I've even personally paid the hosting charges for a month when the previous web host couldn't get hold of Ash.

Ash has repeated declined handing over the reigns and assured me he was getting to grips with it and didn't want to lose his site.

rikky wrote:
ash has been on posting in the admin section so i wonder what is being discussed?

There is a sub-forum yes, but trust me, there are no answers in there. All you'd find is consolidated posts from Jim & I trying desperately to convince Ash to hear a lot of what is being said.

stan_306gti6 wrote:
Add another couple of DAILY active Admin members into the mix and I think you'll find the problems are solved. Yes

Absolutely agree with the need for more Admins. I'd support the nomination of Stan, and have also suggested Owain, Rich and a number of other members who I think would be good choices. But don't kid yourself that Admin presence will make all the difference.

I still try to come on here at least once a day and keep moving and deleting threads as best I can. Yes, I tend to do a lot of that quietly - not intentionally to appear aloof but just because I'm sick of defending against unfair personal criticism. Personally, with the current (wrong) membership structure in place, I don't see how any Admin's can make this work.

heidi6 wrote:
Do you think admin have read this?

stan_306gti6 wrote:
I'm glad Jim has come on, at least we know our views have been heard thats a positive

And yes, we have... Every word of it.

Anyway, I hope this doesn't count as my resignation when Ash reads it (and if it does I wish those taking on the mantle the best of luck). At least I can hope you understand the catch-22 that some of us are in.

EDIT: Oh, and I'd also like to stress that neither Jim nor I see any of the membership or sponsored link income before anyone questions that.

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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 15:36
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Post #474
stan_306gti6 wrote:
mcfc1987 wrote:
this place is w*nk


This is unhelpful and harsh.


This is worthy of a sig.

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Posted 19th Feb 2012 at 15:39
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Post #475
I do not think more admin will help. a start would be to be to allow our current admin to make changes and allow them to act on some of our suggestions

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