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 m306
Seasoned Pro  Location: south coast Registered: 16 May 2011 Posts: 1,074 Status: Offline |
Post #51
i can understand this being moved but why to engines? surely it should be transmission like the others about flywheels?________________________________________ supercharged China gti6 - Thu 16th Sep 1999 - sold2010 megane rs250 |
 Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 19:19
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paul_13
Senior User  Location: Reading Registered: 10 Dec 2008 Posts: 693 Status: Offline |
Post #52
Flywheel has always been engine related in my eyes. ________________________________________ 205 GTI6- Rebuilt engine, lightened flywheel, lightened pulley, 307 hdi brakes, Koni struts on gravel spec springs, 22mm TB's, 24mm ARB, Roll cage, Citreon ZX rear dampers, SL434's, Xsara box, Quickrack, Pipercross enclosed induction kit. Private work, not a prob |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 19:31
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midlife
Seasoned Pro  Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
Post #53
Yup the flywheel attaches to the engine!! ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!! Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker  Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 19:34
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m306
Seasoned Pro Location: south coast Registered: 16 May 2011 Posts: 1,074 Status: Offline |
Post #54
yes but isn't it in the gearbox/clutch casing? sorry if thats the wrong name but you should get what i mean. that imo makes it just as much transmission as it is engine?________________________________________ supercharged China gti6 - Thu 16th Sep 1999 - sold2010 megane rs250 |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:23
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honestly3k
Seasoned Pro  Location: Berkhamsted Registered: 06 Apr 2009 Posts: 2,390 Status: Offline |
Post #55
m306 wrote: yes but isn't it in the gearbox/clutch casing? sorry if thats the wrong name but you should get what i mean. that imo makes it just as much transmission as it is engine? Its on the crank so probably more engine related but who really cares?  ________________________________________ ''Oh, it does handle like a golf!'' Why drive a Golf....when you can drive a GTi-6? |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:40
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owain
Seasoned Pro  Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #56
I don't care, I'd just like the issue sorted before everyone has to pay for new flywheels  ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:44
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cwspellowe
Seasoned Pro  Location: Calderbank Registered: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 6,496 Status: Offline |
Post #57
Pretty sure Rich was replacing the old style when they were damaged. If this has only started recently with the newest new batch maybe it's another manufacturing problem? Can noone just contact Rich for an answer?**EDIT I also read that the HDI (or was it XUD?) starter motor was preferable as the teeth made better contact with the ring gear. Is everyone having trouble using the GTI6 starter? ________________________________________ Bye bye Sundance Kid |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 21:03
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rich_w
Seasoned Pro  Location: Havant, Hampshire Registered: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 5,412 Status: Offline |
Post #58
Chaps,I have looked into this, given it is clearly raising concerns for people, although as far as I can see (but correct me if I’m wrong) there’s only two people with an actual problem. I spoke to the manufacturer today, and explained the issues people have described, and I asked them to compare one of their flywheels (from the most recent batch) against an OEM flywheel. The parts have been checked on a Co-ordinate Measuring Table, and the diameter, tooth pitch and other critical dimensions are all as per the OEM flywheel. Not satisfied with this, I have also performed my own checks. Below we have a lightweight billet steel flywheel (again, from the current batch) and an OEM cast flywheel. As you can see, the OD, tooth pitch etc are all identical, as they line up perfectly. As far as I can see, there are no issues with the lightweight flywheels, therefore the only conclusion I can draw is the issues are installation related. I welcome further queries by PM, and will endeavour to assist where possible. Regards, Rich          ________________________________________ Contact Details:rich@lynxpowerengineering.co.uk 07732 822546 |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 21:29
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #59
those teeth are narrower however  though given that it looks to be on the opposite side to the starter that shouldn't cause any problems. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 21:45
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rich_w
Seasoned Pro Location: Havant, Hampshire Registered: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 5,412 Status: Offline |
Post #60
welshpug! wrote: those teeth are narrower however Yes, to save weight. If you look at the OEM flywheel, the starter doesn't even use the full width of the teeth (there are small marks if you can see them), hence the width is reduced as it's pointless having excess material on a product designed to save weight. ________________________________________ Contact Details:rich@lynxpowerengineering.co.uk 07732 822546 |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 21:49
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hovis16
Seasoned Pro  Location: Reading/parts for sale Registered: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 4,306 Status: Offline |
Post #61
it got to be the metal on metal sound surely because of the different styled billet :s ________________________________________ Ph2 Black GTI 6!EX black 6 owner But now a Black caged rallye owner Hunting for Go faster bits! SEARCH click here |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 21:53
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #62
This is why when I get one its going to the man himself. Or one of two men named Carl. No point f*cking about really________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 21:55
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #63
hovis16 wrote: it got to be the metal on metal sound surely because of the different styled billet Unfortunately it's more than that. My mate who has this problem had a lightened one before which sounded normal. Starter failed and stripped the teeth, new lightened wheel on - now it makes the noise. Obviously that means the starter has been changed as well, I'll see if he can find anything out about it. But it's not just to do with it being billet. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 22:20
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #64
why? any mechanic can fit it  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 22:20
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #65
Worth getting someone who knows the car perfectly though, could just be that the mechs who've fitted them are missing something specific to this car. To be clear - who's actually experiencing this issue, and when did you buy them? My mate James (Hartley on here, I think) bought one a couple of weeks ago, and it's making an odd metallic noise when it starts. He had a lightened one before that did not. Starter and fly have been replaced I believe. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 22:22
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davewagon
Senior User  Location: Corby / Northampton Registered: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 889 Status: Offline |
Post #66
This might or might not help, but mine was bought and fitted towards the end of 2008, and I don't seem to have any problem with it?(Although I wasn't even aware there could be one, so I'll listen carefully on next start up, but I'm sure it is fine) ________________________________________ Team: Moonstone GTI-6™Team: ian7675 wrote: Remember....a 6 isn't just a car, it's a part time job  |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 22:35
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #67
Lets not forget that gears wear together as a pair, both the ring gear and teeth on the starter bendix will be wearing, in many cases these will be pretty rounded and worn by now. If you suddenly replace one item with a newly machined square edge like the new flywheels will be then there may be some binding issues with rounded or hooked teeth on the starter which may cause it to fail to engage fully or worse to not disengage once the engine starts. As this damage is often masked by corresponding wear in the standard flywheel it only becomes apparent when you fit the new one. Obviously some starters will be in better conditon than others hence certain people having no issues whatsoever (mine fitted just fine and worked faultlessley, just like everything else I've bought off Rich) and others have suffered problems. Basicly it's bad practice to match worn gears/chains/sprockets etc. with new ones, sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't, but like anything, you modify one thing, you find the problem with something else, it's just how it is. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 22:57
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ballardpaul
Seasoned Pro  Location: Croydon Registered: 22 Jul 2008 Posts: 4,135 Status: Offline |
Post #68
daveyboy wrote: Lets not forget that gears wear together as a pair, both the ring gear and teeth on the starter bendix will be wearing, in many cases these will be pretty rounded and worn by now. If you suddenly replace one item with a newly machined square edge like the new flywheels will be then there may be some binding issues with rounded or hooked teeth on the starter which may cause it to fail to engage fully or worse to not disengage once the engine starts. As this damage is often masked by corresponding wear in the standard flywheel it only becomes apparent when you fit the new one. Obviously some starters will be in better conditon than others hence certain people having no issues whatsoever (mine fitted just fine and worked faultlessley, just like everything else I've bought off Rich) and others have suffered problems. Basicly it's bad practice to match worn gears/chains/sprockets etc. with new ones, sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't, but like anything, you modify one thing, you find the problem with something else, it's just how it is. Makes sense, my starter was changed for a 53k one when the dowel was put back in. ________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi 6 (Standard) SoldPhase 3 Supercharged China GTi 6 (249.8 BHP) Sold Phase 3 Supercharged Diablo GTi 6 (443 BHP)Sold Nissan 350Z (300 BHP) |
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Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 00:06
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #69
I'll try and get a recording of the sound when I'm at work on Thursday, what Jim's saying would make sense but it sounds worse than the average whine you'd get from teeth. Plus we're talking new starter and fly at the same time. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 08:10
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hovis16
Seasoned Pro Location: Reading/parts for sale Registered: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 4,306 Status: Offline |
Post #70
owain wrote: same here mateWorth getting someone who knows the car perfectly though, could just be that the mechs who've fitted them are missing something specific to this car. To be clear - who's actually experiencing this issue, and when did you buy them? My mate James (Hartley on here, I think) bought one a couple of weeks ago, and it's making an odd metallic noise when it starts. He had a lightened one before that did not. Starter and fly have been replaced I believe. ________________________________________ Ph2 Black GTI 6!EX black 6 owner But now a Black caged rallye owner Hunting for Go faster bits! SEARCH click here |
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Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 08:50
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m306
Seasoned Pro Location: south coast Registered: 16 May 2011 Posts: 1,074 Status: Offline |
Post #71
hovis16 wrote: owain wrote: same here mateWorth getting someone who knows the car perfectly though, could just be that the mechs who've fitted them are missing something specific to this car. To be clear - who's actually experiencing this issue, and when did you buy them? My mate James (Hartley on here, I think) bought one a couple of weeks ago, and it's making an odd metallic noise when it starts. He had a lightened one before that did not. Starter and fly have been replaced I believe. Same for me, bought and fitted a couple of weeks ago. Had it professionally fitted so not doubting that it is correct. I'm getting the noise but as Miles said earlier mine should be ok. Would like to know the cause though ________________________________________ supercharged China gti6 - Thu 16th Sep 1999 - sold2010 megane rs250 |
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Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 09:58
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #72
Yeah, Hartley's one was fitted by a mechanic so again no reason to doubt. It would just be extremely annoying to find out in three months' time that it *is* a problem, and everyone's out of pocket by a flywheel.________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 10:02
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webster
Seasoned Pro  Location: Colchester Registered: 20 May 2007 Posts: 2,059 Status: Offline |
Post #73
Anyone have anymore info on this?Bought Anth's car off him and share everyone's concerns.. ________________________________________ cress87 wrote: I'm stopped for speeding on a daily basis but now the police are aware that I live for the 306 they dare not interfere, just sit in their cars quaking as I drive past. |
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Posted 31st Jan 2012 at 08:01
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russbez
Seasoned Pro  Location: Inverness-Shire Registered: 19 Dec 2005 Posts: 7,459 Status: Offline |
Post #74
mines been fitted 2/3 years and has been fine________________________________________ TEAM HIGH BOOST SUPERCHARGED RALLYEMy Rallye project thread |
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Posted 31st Jan 2012 at 08:49
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webster
Seasoned Pro Location: Colchester Registered: 20 May 2007 Posts: 2,059 Status: Offline |
Post #75
Does yours make the "noise" when starting the car?________________________________________ cress87 wrote: I'm stopped for speeding on a daily basis but now the police are aware that I live for the 306 they dare not interfere, just sit in their cars quaking as I drive past. |
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Posted 31st Jan 2012 at 08:55
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