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eddy_gti6

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Post #476
I need something smaller as the standard one is in the way of the VLR inlet and could do with running the same set up you have

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Posted 20th Mar 2014 at 22:44
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Post #477
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Good work Steve! But for gods sake man, don't paint your gearbox!!

Alternator looks like the Daihatsu charade one on my 205, I think a lot of jap crap uses them as well as some fork lifts Wink



Laugh I was only going to paint it silver, makes it easier to wipe crap off when painted.

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Posted 21st Mar 2014 at 06:03
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Post #478
prism7guy wrote:
allanallen wrote:
Good work Steve! But for gods sake man, don't paint your gearbox!!

Alternator looks like the Daihatsu charade one on my 205, I think a lot of jap crap uses them as well as some fork lifts Wink



Laugh I was only going to paint it silver, makes it easier to wipe crap off when painted.


I used aluminium paint on my box, cleans up very well with a just wash. I will look into alternators over the weekend

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Posted 21st Mar 2014 at 06:23
allanallen

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Post #479
eddy_gti6 wrote:
prism7guy wrote:
allanallen wrote:
Good work Steve! But for gods sake man, don't paint your gearbox!!

Alternator looks like the Daihatsu charade one on my 205, I think a lot of jap crap uses them as well as some fork lifts Wink



Laugh I was only going to paint it silver, makes it easier to wipe crap off when painted.


I used aluminium paint on my box, cleans up very well with a just wash. I will look into alternators over the weekend


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Posted 21st Mar 2014 at 06:43
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Post #480
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Posted 21st Mar 2014 at 07:00
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Posted 21st Mar 2014 at 11:30
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Post #482
If you build it properly there wont be any crud Thumbs up

any painted gearbox I've seen has flaked off in a few months.

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Posted 21st Mar 2014 at 12:25
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Post #483
Mine didn't.

It did explode instead though.

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Posted 21st Mar 2014 at 12:51
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Post #484
Little more progress on this. I decided to be a tart and clean up / paint the new gearbox, mainly because i didn't like the oily corroded look of the replacement box.

Before:

IMG_2941 by Steve Count, on Flickr

During:

IMG_2972 by Steve Count, on Flickr

Many hours after:

IMG_2974 by Steve Count, on Flickr

Half way through the replacement, i'd forgot what a ball ache it is changing gearboxes with the engine still in the car. Doh

IMG_2977 by Steve Count, on Flickr

I may have knackered my release bearing, the box went at a horrible angle with part of the input shaft still in the plastic bit when removing the old box and the bearing made a slightly concerning noise when spinning it afterwards, though it did spin freely and i couldn't feel much play in it. I'll just have to cross my fingers that all is ok with it, don't fancy wasting another weekend on gearboxes again. LOL

When fitting the new box i had a great idea of removing the diff housing/diff so it wasn't so difficult maneuvering the box into place, that part went smoothly but fitting a diff when the box is in place is slightly more difficult than i anticipated. Still, i managed it after a while.

Once the box was in i started fitting the new wishbones, not much to say about this really other than i've either forgot to order some bolts the right length, or i've bought some and managed to lose them somewhere. Doh So the car won't be back on the road tomorrow after all my efforts. Sad

IMG_2982 by Steve Count, on Flickr

I also ran out of gearbox oil when refilling the new box, so i've just ordered some more along with the bolts i need. I'll get some new engine oil ordered later and that's almost everything sorted.

Just a quick question for the pro's, what range of plunge should the driveshafts have?
My nearside one has around 3mm of movement minimum, more when i turn to full lock. I removed the springs and jacked it up checking at various heights and theres always at least 3mm of plunge.
The offside seemed to have slightly more plunge, more like 6mm throughout the range.
Do these seem like reasonable amounts?

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Posted 9th Dec 2017 at 21:09
allanallen

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Post #485
3mm isn't a lot of plunge but you'll probably get away with it, ideally you want between 5 and 15mm.

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Posted 31st Mar 2014 at 23:36
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Post #486
3mm is about the minimum I'd be happy with, so you should be okay, you might find like I did though, that the inners have already worn a track and they won't like coming off it onto an a new bit LOL

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Posted 1st Apr 2014 at 00:00
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Post #487
Cheers guys. Thumbs up

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Posted 1st Apr 2014 at 05:59
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Post #488
Had another few hours on the car this afternoon, finished off pretty much everything that needed doing, got it back on its wheels and set the tracking. Checked the camber, almost identical each side but im not 100% sure the bit of road i was on was level so i need to test it again somewhere where i'm sure its on level ground just to be happy.
Once id done that i loctited and torqued everything up and made a mount for my gopro to have a look at the wishbones in action.

Few pics, think i've got a fair bit more caster than before. Whistle

IMG_2993 by Steve Count, on Flickr

Once i was happy with the car i taxed it and decided to take it for a test drive, it was getting late so i was running out of light, and for some reason the gopro has changed its default settings to the videos aren't as good as they could have been, but you get the idea.

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I've got to say i'm loving the xsara rack without power steering, even if it is epically heavy at walking pace. Big grin

Only issue i'm having is the gearbox grinds a bit when dropping from 4th into 3rd, but doesn't do it going from 2nd to 3rd. Any ideas what could be causing that?

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Posted 9th Dec 2017 at 21:11
rallyeash

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Post #489
Looks like its all doing what it should!

When is the first track outing then?!

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Posted 7th Apr 2014 at 08:38
prism7guy

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Post #490
I'm not sure when the first track outing is, i'd like to give it a shakedown at cadwell soon but before i take it on a track i want to change the cambelt, it's only done 6k but its coming up to 3 years old so i'd rather be safe than sorry. It also needs new engine oil and filter but i've got all that sat in the garage ready to do.

My only problem at the moment is money, i've just bought a house so i'm trying to save a bit of a buffer incase anything major goes wrong.
The car will definitely be going to the nurburgring in August though, i'd just like to give it a bit of a shakedown more locally before breaking something over there. LOL

Have you got any planned Ash?

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Posted 7th Apr 2014 at 17:03
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Post #491
Time for a little update, but nothing too exciting.

Over the last couple of weekends i've replaced the cambelt, engine oil & filter, clutch and gearbox.

It's the first time i've ever attempted a cambelt so i was a bit hesitant, anyway it all seemed to go alright. I'm pretty sure that the inlet cam had been advanced previously though as when the crank and exhaust pulleys were locked the inlet cam seemed to be too advanced to slide the drill bit into the head.

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That might explain why it was up on power/torque to a standard engine, and maybe why it ran quite roughly around 2000rpm. Dunno
It's back to standard timing for now, i can't say i've noticed any loss of power but i rarely drive the car on the roads so my bum-dyno isnt properly calibrated.

I think the old clutch release bearing had seen better days as it was very free moving and sounded a bit grindy when i took the old 'box off, i suspect it may not have been a big fan of the angle the original gearbox came off at as i didnt have a stud extractor to make life easier when removing it.
Anyway, the old friction plate:

IMG_3292 by Steve Count, on Flickr

New clutch kit:

IMG_3293 by Steve Count, on Flickr

IMG_3294 by Steve Count, on Flickr

And back together:

IMG_3301 by Steve Count, on Flickr

Having a garage at long last is so much nicer than working on a car out in the rain!

Off to the 'ring in a couple of weeks, probably be another update after that. Big grin

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Posted 9th Dec 2017 at 21:19
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Post #492
Small update, made it to the nordschleife, did around 10 laps, only one small issue with the car after a spot of offroading. Doh Managed to get that sorted and the car got me home fine.

Most laps are pretty boring and slow due to traffic and weather.

Managed a new personal best though, 8:31 BTG which is just shy of my target, oh well. Heres the video for anyone that cares. http://youtu.be/1xuh_pUMInc

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Posted 23rd Aug 2014 at 14:52
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Post #493
Another small update.

Now has electric power steering.

IMG_3443 by Steve Count, on Flickr

Took it out for a quick test drive after putting it all back together, can't believe how light the steering is now!

It's switched from the dash so if i don't like it i can always turn it off, the car is now ready for it's next trackday at Cadwell park in a couple of weeks. Big grin

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Posted 9th Dec 2017 at 21:23
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Post #494
Do you not loose steering feel by doing this? Is it purely a weight saving activity?
Posted 3rd Oct 2014 at 07:20
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Post #495
I don't think it will save any weight, those pumps are quite heavy

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Posted 3rd Oct 2014 at 07:55
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Post #496
Just turning the pump off isnt the way to do it, you need to unbolt the ram and the pipes if you want a non assisted feel, as it is itll be particularly heavy, like when you stall it or the engine is dead

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Posted 3rd Oct 2014 at 08:23
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Post #497
Chr1sch wrote:
Do you not loose steering feel by doing this? Is it purely a weight saving activity?


I only took the car out during rush hour so didn't get a proper chance to stretch it's legs, but it does seem to have lost some of the feedback.
Fitting this setup over the normal pump has added some extra weight, the reason I've done it is because I had no pas for a while and it was an animal to try and park with the semi slicks, extra castor and quick rack all working against me.

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Posted 3rd Oct 2014 at 08:54
allanallen

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Post #498
welshpug! wrote:
Just turning the pump off isnt the way to do it, you need to unbolt the ram and the pipes if you want a non assisted feel, as it is itll be particularly heavy, like when you stall it or the engine is dead


You'd think that but mine actually feels fine off, slightly heavier than normal but not at all like switching the engine off with a normal pas pump. No idea why before you ask :p

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Posted 3rd Oct 2014 at 10:26
allanallen

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Have you kept the restrictor in the pipe Steve?

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Posted 3rd Oct 2014 at 10:27
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welshpug! wrote:
Just turning the pump off isnt the way to do it, you need to unbolt the ram and the pipes if you want a non assisted feel, as it is itll be particularly heavy, like when you stall it or the engine is dead


I've left the ram on mine to stop the rack turning too far, better to take it off?

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