I'll be needing a set of pads for my track car and im really impressed with my DS2500's, just wondered if its worth the extra £50 odd for RC6's?
you found DS2500 impressive?????
youl prematurely ejaculate with the RC6 then
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #51
prism7guy wrote: Sorry for going a little off topic but would you rate CL RC6's as better than DS2500's? I'll be needing a set of pads for my track car and im really impressed with my DS2500's, just wondered if its worth the extra £50 odd for RC6's? you found DS2500 impressive????? youl prematurely ejaculate with the RC6 then |
Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 00:19
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #52
prism7guy wrote: Sorry for going a little off topic but would you rate CL RC6's as better than DS2500's? I'll be needing a set of pads for my track car and im really impressed with my DS2500's, just wondered if its worth the extra £50 odd for RC6's? I would say an RC6 is a race car only pad, way too aggressive on discs to be a viable everyday pad. I ran DS2500 on road and track and found them to be an excellent all round performer. You don't want to be washing your wheels after every trip out to avoid pitting them with iron filings. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 00:23
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lotek
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Post #53
there going on a track car so wouldnr be too much of a problem for him.the performance difference is deffo woth the 40 quid diff. i want some for my mondeo |
Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 00:26
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prism7guy
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Post #54
Cheers for the input, it will be on my track car so it will only be used to get to and from tracks and actually on the tracks.I think the DS2500's are pretty good to be fair to them, they lasted 20 mins at oulton in november before i had issues, and they stop the car great just daily driving from cold etc. ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 00:50
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ewenmac123
Newbie Location: invergarry Registered: 29 Nov 2009 Posts: 31 Status: Offline |
Post #55
That rallye looks the nuts on them wellers. great pics ________________________________________ dooby |
Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 01:09
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jimmy_boy
Senior User Location: Christchurch Registered: 09 Jun 2003 Posts: 14,752 Status: Offline |
Post #56
If you run a dedicated track car and even consider DS2500's or DS3000's over CL RC6's because of the murderous brake dust you are GAY.Full stop! No questions - A raving homo with a cherry on top! Just fyi ________________________________________ GTI-6 & RallyeRallye gets sideways in the wet at Snetterton |
Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 01:49
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cooper666
Senior User Location: doncaster Registered: 27 Nov 2009 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #57
do they do them for wilwoods ________________________________________ clio r27ps3 id:cooperkloe |
Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 02:19
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
Post #58
jimmy_boy wrote: If you run a dedicated track car and even consider DS2500's or DS3000's over CL RC6's because of the murderous brake dust you are GAY. Full stop! No questions - A raving homo with a cherry on top! Just fyi Ha ha Totally agree Jim!! ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 02:21
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Denis
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 493 Status: Offline |
Post #59
I used DS2500 at the very beginning as an upgrade to standard pads. With the pads that I been using recently I have no overheating problems.________________________________________ Cherry Red Rallye Project threadWhiteBMW M140i |
Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 04:37
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Denis
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 493 Status: Offline |
Post #60
So far with standard brake callipers I used:OE spec pads: Lucas/Ferodo/Mintex/Bosch/Textar – out of the lot I would recommend Lucas. Fast road pads: Ferodo DS2500 – good upgrade, decent cold performance. On race circuit can overheat and coat discs in pad material – feels like warped discs. Pagid RS4-2 Blue – probably the best road pad (that is what I currently use on my GTi6): last for ages (30k road miles and 3 track days – still 50% left!), good bite from cold, not up to heavy track work – overheat and leave residue on discs. With AP racing callipers ( CP3215D50 fitment ) I used: Mintex 1155 – did not like them: poor release (difficult to drive in the wet), after a long session the pedal started to go down. Mintex F6R – the best track pad that I used to date: feel exactly what the brakes are doing at any time, they do not like slow speed driving in town – chew through the discs. Carbon Lorraine CL6 – very similar to F6R, even worse on the discs in normal driving. With both F6 and CL6 – there was virtually no disc wear when used ONLY on race circuit. Ferodo DS3000 – poor from cold, when hot similar to CL6/F6 but inconsistent in terms of feel. Carbotech XP10 – have them on the car right now, very high initial bite, very high friction coefficient (can lock up on slicks in the dry) – more stopping power than CL6/F6, little dust, gentle on the discs but not convinced with the feel. Also they squeal in normal driving – bad enough to have to use handbrake around town to slowdown so that people would not turn around! Going to be trying EBC NDX Bluestuff soon. ________________________________________ Cherry Red Rallye Project threadWhiteBMW M140i |
Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 04:40
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scib4
Senior User Location: East Kilbride Registered: 28 Jul 2007 Posts: 770 Status: Offline |
Post #61
I ran XP8's on my Rallye years ago and loved them! No issues with squealing either.They did however squeal on my Elise... Good project, might get another one day. ________________________________________ Mike08 BMW 320d M-Sport touring (Superchipped Spec) 11 VW Transporter Kombi T5.1GP LWB (Bi-Turbo spec) Yeti DJ (Jump spec) Specialized SX Trail (DH spec) Specialized Pitch (XC spec) |
Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 04:46
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Denis
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 493 Status: Offline |
Post #62
welshpug! wrote: What kind of power/torque do you think its running? From the most accurate rolling road known to me: 193bhp (166bhp @ wheels) and 161LbFt As a comparison, standard car is supposed to be 167bhp and 142FtLb. ________________________________________ Cherry Red Rallye Project threadWhiteBMW M140i |
Posted 9th Mar 2020 at 20:48
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Denis
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 493 Status: Offline |
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scib4 wrote: I ran XP8's on my Rallye years ago and loved them! No issues with squealing either. They did however squeal on my Elise... Good project, might get another one day. It is combination of particular calliper / brake disc / installation that effects the noise The downside of Carbotech is price ________________________________________ Cherry Red Rallye Project threadWhiteBMW M140i |
Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 04:49
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prism7guy
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Post #64
Thanks for your input on brake pads Denis ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 11:37
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daw5on
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Post #65
russian guy wrote: coskev wrote: Looks well on the Steels Are they the C5 Steel/alloy things? They are Wellers 15x7, look great but are very heavy (nearly 11kg each, for comparison OZ Ultralieggeras are 10.5kg with slicks fitted!), also do not provide adequate break cooling as not much air flow = melted DS2500 pads And they are now on my car ________________________________________ Cotton Villiers 1967 (Just fully restored)1988 Yamaha Ty250 Mono (being Built) Yamaha TY80 (In bits) Peugeot Speedfight 50 (Daily Ride) |
Posted 11th Feb 2011 at 15:57
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adam b
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Post #66
Nice power curve for the gearbox on the rallye for track work...As ever the headline figures won't show just how good that would be on track. Sure they don't seem like much extra and i'm sure as a daily driver it'd make little difference, however when you are able to be 100% on it that will make a big difference. ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
Posted 11th Feb 2011 at 16:34
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fletch
Track Head Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
Post #67
russian guy wrote: Going to be trying EBC NDX Bluestuff soon. Just put a full set of the Evo, bedded in now so looking forward to abusing them. |
Posted 12th Feb 2011 at 03:39
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Denis
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 493 Status: Offline |
Post #68
adam b wrote: Nice power curve for the gearbox on the rallye for track work... As ever the headline figures won't show just how good that would be on track. Sure they don't seem like much extra and i'm sure as a daily driver it'd make little difference, however when you are able to be 100% on it that will make a big difference. As with most other things on my car – on its own it does not make much difference, but in combination with everything else – the whole package is excellent ________________________________________ Cherry Red Rallye Project threadWhiteBMW M140i |
Posted 13th Feb 2011 at 15:20
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Denis
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 493 Status: Offline |
Post #69
fletch wrote: russian guy wrote: Going to be trying EBC NDX Bluestuff soon. Just put a full set of the Evo, bedded in now so looking forward to abusing them. Will be very interesting to hear what you think about them ________________________________________ Cherry Red Rallye Project threadWhiteBMW M140i |
Posted 13th Feb 2011 at 15:20
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Denis
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 493 Status: Offline |
Post #70
In the mean time, I’ve put a deposit on my new every car. It has 6 cylinder engine, rear wheel drive and 18” wheels as standard So my GTi is going to be for sale soon. ________________________________________ Cherry Red Rallye Project threadWhiteBMW M140i |
Posted 14th Feb 2011 at 02:50
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fletch
Track Head Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
Post #71
russian guy wrote: In the mean time, I’ve put a deposit on my new every daily car. It has 6 cylinder engine, rear wheel drive and 18” wheels as standard So my GTi is going to be for sale soon. Do tell... 330i? |
Posted 13th Feb 2011 at 15:23
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
Post #72
fletch wrote: russian guy wrote: In the mean time, I’ve put a deposit on my new every daily car. It has 6 cylinder engine, rear wheel drive and 18” wheels as standard So my GTi is going to be for sale soon. Do tell... 330i? Ditto, come on Denis spill the beans... ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
Posted 13th Feb 2011 at 18:25
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clen666
Seasoned Pro Location: Co. Durham Registered: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 2,401 Status: Offline |
Post #73
Great car Dennis, if I can get mine to half the car this is I'll be a happy man!Sorry if its been asked before, but what is the advantage of fitting the mi16 clutch? ________________________________________ Team 'unintentional rat look' |
Posted 13th Feb 2011 at 19:11
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phillipm
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Post #74
russian guy wrote: Will be very interesting to hear what you think about them Damn good road pad, probably good for some light track abuse, but I'm not sure they'd take long sessions without fading. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
Posted 13th Feb 2011 at 19:19
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fletch
Track Head Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
Post #75
phillipm wrote: russian guy wrote: Will be very interesting to hear what you think about them Damn good road pad, probably good for some light track abuse, but I'm not sure they'd take long sessions without fading. The box says track and race use only but supposed to be excellent on the road too. Ill prob only get to use them on track once this year, but wont be for a while |
Posted 13th Feb 2011 at 19:24
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