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 welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #251
Puggitt wrote: I just used a socket and bolt as a puller to dislodge mine the either lather the other end with never cease, and slide hammer or bash it through or remove the arm and drift it back though the inside. we are not in NZ! ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
 Posted 13th May 2015 at 08:00
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tea boy
Senior User  Location: Market Rasen Registered: 27 Feb 2010 Posts: 632 Status: Offline |
Post #252
I have got a bloke at an engineering place we deal with who is going to sort me an off cut of round steel billet to make a heavier weight for my slide hammer.If that doesn't work I will be forced to get mediaeval with it... ________________________________________ Make tea, not war.If it ain't broke......fix it until it is. |
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Posted 9th May 2016 at 23:49
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tea boy
Senior User Location: Market Rasen Registered: 27 Feb 2010 Posts: 632 Status: Offline |
Post #253
So this axle was not over keen to come apart.I knocked up an adaptor to screw into the torsion bar which I could then screw the slide hammer into.  With this attached I spent a full weekend whacking the slide hammer up and down and completely failing to shift anything. What I needed was more weight in the slide hammer. I managed to get an off cut of 100mm round steel billet. With an 18mm hole drilled down the middle it fitted the slide hammer like this.  Just a couple of whacks with this and the torsion bar was out... Of the beam at least; it brought the trailing arm out aswell.  Well, they are half way out, it's a start. ________________________________________ Make tea, not war.If it ain't broke......fix it until it is. |
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Posted 21st May 2015 at 00:39
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #254
I had a play with some trailing arms like that on the weekend, managed to set them up In the press and needed ten ton to shift the most stubborn one...________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 21st May 2015 at 07:37
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tea boy
Senior User Location: Market Rasen Registered: 27 Feb 2010 Posts: 632 Status: Offline |
Post #255
welshpug! wrote: I had a play with some trailing arms like that on the weekend, managed to set them up In the press and needed ten ton to shift the most stubborn one... I've got them in my van, will press them out at the first opportunity, my mate has a 30 ton press but I hope they come out with a bit less pressure than that. The pins in the arms have some witness marks from the needle rollers so I will have to change them, anyone got any recommendations as to where to get them? ________________________________________ Make tea, not war.If it ain't broke......fix it until it is. |
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Posted 21st May 2015 at 22:49
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tea boy
Senior User Location: Market Rasen Registered: 27 Feb 2010 Posts: 632 Status: Offline |
Post #256
welshpug! wrote: I had a play with some trailing arms like that on the weekend, managed to set them up In the press and needed ten ton to shift the most stubborn one... You were not kidding about them needing a shove to get them out. It is also a right faff setting them up on the press. They are out now though.  ________________________________________ Make tea, not war.If it ain't broke......fix it until it is. |
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Posted 22nd May 2015 at 23:37
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tea boy
Senior User Location: Market Rasen Registered: 27 Feb 2010 Posts: 632 Status: Offline |
Post #257
OK, so why the hell would my drop link go like that? ________________________________________ Make tea, not war.If it ain't broke......fix it until it is. |
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Posted 25th May 2015 at 20:18
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
Post #258
My plastic ones went exactly the same, I've never used them since....________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!!  |
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Posted 25th May 2015 at 21:30
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #259
Always used the plastic ones with no issue.You must drive like an animal... ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 25th May 2015 at 22:04
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tea boy
Senior User Location: Market Rasen Registered: 27 Feb 2010 Posts: 632 Status: Offline |
Post #260
adam b wrote: Always used the plastic ones with no issue. You must drive like an animal... I have had to put at least one on every year for the MOT, it is starting to get boring. That bent one must have been a wing wang chinee POS. The last time I asked if there were any better quality ones but they said these are all we have. This time I got some in stock ready, so had chance to choose. I have gone for these.  Let's see how long these last. ________________________________________ Make tea, not war.If it ain't broke......fix it until it is. |
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Posted 25th May 2015 at 22:22
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #261
11 months?________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 25th May 2015 at 22:27
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tea boy
Senior User Location: Market Rasen Registered: 27 Feb 2010 Posts: 632 Status: Offline |
Post #262
adam b wrote: 11 months? Might last a bit longer as the car is off the road at the moment.  ________________________________________ Make tea, not war.If it ain't broke......fix it until it is. |
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Posted 25th May 2015 at 22:51
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #263
genuine were TRW________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 25th May 2015 at 23:41
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tea boy
Senior User Location: Market Rasen Registered: 27 Feb 2010 Posts: 632 Status: Offline |
Post #264
My black 21mm Citroen torsion bars are now red Peugeot bars. I know it is probably a bit ghey, but I had the front springs done red too.  ________________________________________ Make tea, not war.If it ain't broke......fix it until it is. |
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Posted 6th Jun 2015 at 00:43
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tea boy
Senior User Location: Market Rasen Registered: 27 Feb 2010 Posts: 632 Status: Offline |
Post #265
Right then, one of the reasons I struggled to get the torsion bars out of the trailing arms was because some total dildo had been in there before me and had managed to peen over the end of the splines in their lame attempt at drifting them out. cue half an hour a side with the needle files to sort it out.  Anyway, I thought it would be a good idea to fit the new front springs and shox.  As I didn't fancy putting spring compressors on and scratching off the fresh powder coating, I dropped the wishbones off to do fit them. It was a good job I did really, as the P bushes I put on about 10k miles ago were about fooked. I decided to go for the ali type ones and bought genuine.  Whilst I was at it, it made sense to do the ball joints. I went for Lemforder.  These were from Eurocarparts on ebay. They were seven quid cheaper on the bay than if I had driven into the shop and bought them. The listing did not specify what size they were, so I asked them if they were 16mm, which is what I needed. The reply was something like, 'we will be very pleased to help you choose parts for your car, give us the reg, VIN, engine size number of gears, colour make of tyres etc etc etc...' I know what parts I want, can you just tell me if they are 16mm or not FFS? 'No, we don't have that information' Useless cnuts... Speaking of useless cnuts, I also ordered a set of 4 FEBI wishbone bushes.  Obviously the order was picked by Blind Pew. 3 FEBI and 1 Veritas bush. What is wrong with these people? ________________________________________ Make tea, not war.If it ain't broke......fix it until it is. |
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Posted 13th Jun 2015 at 23:00
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tea boy
Senior User Location: Market Rasen Registered: 27 Feb 2010 Posts: 632 Status: Offline |
Post #266
So I dropped on a NOS beam tube for handy money, been on the shelf at the dealer since 2006. It will need painting yellow, of course. Speaking of yellow, I was getting some stuff zinc plated for work so I chucked a few bits in.  The BBM rear mounts came up ok but the ARB brackets were quite pitted.  Got the wishbones stripped down.  I think I will probably paint them before they go back on. ________________________________________ Make tea, not war.If it ain't broke......fix it until it is. |
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Posted 20th Jun 2015 at 01:35
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walker_texasranger
Seasoned Pro  Location: Sunny Retford Registered: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 2,502 Status: Offline |
Post #267
Shox, you are so down with the kids these days Tea  Good stuff, I always look forwards to an update on this thread!  ________________________________________ Almost standard 1999 Bianca RallyeHilux InvincibleX daily 306 No.13  Carp and specialist Anglers Click here |
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Posted 20th Jun 2015 at 06:23
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mechanical_repairs
Seasoned Pro  Location: leicester Registered: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 12,122 Status: Offline |
Post #268
Good find.Carl ________________________________________ C.G.Cars of Leicester, Peugeot/Citroen/Renault specialist Tel: 01162 624498/07799 405184 WWW.CGCARSLEICESTER.CO.UK36 narborough road south, Leicester LE3 2fn MOT station now open, tests £35 with a free retest. Recovery available with a recovery unit, for those not so local jobs Also offer the loan of a free courtesy car 306 dturbo |
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Posted 20th Jun 2015 at 17:16
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tea boy
Senior User Location: Market Rasen Registered: 27 Feb 2010 Posts: 632 Status: Offline |
Post #269
walker_texasranger wrote: Shox, you are so down with the kids these days Tea Sorry about that, I was getting tired of typing by then. walker_texasranger wrote: Good stuff, I always look forwards to an update on this thread! Thanks W-T, that's nice of you to say. Anyway, at the last MOT I had an advisory on the steering rack. So I got this VTS P1 rack.  It needed both gaitors changing. The Haynes manual was really helpful on this as it tells you to take it to a Peugeot specialist! What good is a workshop manual which tells you to take your car to a garage FFS? I half took Mr Haynes advice by going to the Peugeot dealer and asking their Tech how you do this. He put my VIN into the system to bring up the technical data... ...and all the 306 stuff has been deleted off the system. I guess I'm on my olwn then. I think that the proper way to do it would be to pull the rack out of the housing, fit the gaitor then re assemble. So the first job is to remove the pipes to the ram.  This is where I find that some dildo has been in before me and taken the corners off of the nuts. I filed them back into useable shape and they came out without any further damage because I used the correct flare nut spanner. So pipes off, ram off, remembering that there is a washer between the rack and the ram.  Then undo the two cap screws which hold on the pinion housing.  And simply pull the pinion out. except it doesn't pull out...  ________________________________________ Make tea, not war.If it ain't broke......fix it until it is. |
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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 10:34
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #270
ummmno need to pull it apart surely just to replace a few boots? ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 10:45
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Day666
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #271
Love your threads Mark !!!You got far to Much Time on your hands  I just regreased mine & replaced the boots ...bingo  We're you a pull- a -parter as a child  Keep the updates coming m8 |
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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 12:16
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tea boy
Senior User Location: Market Rasen Registered: 27 Feb 2010 Posts: 632 Status: Offline |
Post #272
welshpug! wrote: ummm no need to pull it apart surely just to replace a few boots? Well, you know me mate, I do like to fanny about. Day666 wrote: Love your threads Mark !!! Why thankyou! Day666 wrote: We're you a pull- a -parter as a child yes, but I have yet to master the putting it all back together. When I left it last time I couldn't get the pinion out. A mate of mine said maybe the pinion is cut on a spiral and you need to screw it out. So I made a tool out of an old steering joint.  Good idea, but it did not work, the pinion was still in there. I didn't want to go at it like a bull in a china shop but I thought I need to be a bit firmer with it. So I cut the top off that tool and welded on a 5/8 UNF nut on the top of it instead.  That is the size of my slide hammer. With that fitted all it took was one knock with the slider and the pinion was out. This is what it looks like when it is pulled from the housing.  If you look at the bit just above the pinion gear that is a bearing. Around the circumference of that bearing you can just about make out a line. That is where the bearing is part fitted into the rack housing and part into the pinion housing. It was this which prevented the pinion from just popping out. With that out I could whip out the rack.  Once it was in bits it gave me chance to clean the casing with a bit of acid. It came out not too bad.  Now that it is in bits, what should I do with it?  ________________________________________ Make tea, not war.If it ain't broke......fix it until it is. |
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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 20:22
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mechanical_repairs
Seasoned Pro Location: leicester Registered: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 12,122 Status: Offline |
Post #273
You won't be beaten will you?Carl ________________________________________ C.G.Cars of Leicester, Peugeot/Citroen/Renault specialist Tel: 01162 624498/07799 405184 WWW.CGCARSLEICESTER.CO.UK36 narborough road south, Leicester LE3 2fn MOT station now open, tests £35 with a free retest. Recovery available with a recovery unit, for those not so local jobs Also offer the loan of a free courtesy car 306 dturbo |
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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 21:19
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tea boy
Senior User Location: Market Rasen Registered: 27 Feb 2010 Posts: 632 Status: Offline |
Post #274
mechanical_repairs wrote: You won't be beaten will you? Carl You know me Carl.  I know, I will replace the seals in the pinion housing. After lots of searching I found a company in Slovakia who said they could supply them. Two weeks after I ordered them they had not shown up so I looked at the tracking info they sent me. Well the seals were in New York FFS! When I looked on the order dispatched email the bottom line of my address had been changed from United Kingdom to Spojené štáty When I pasted that into google translate it said United States. Well, that explains New York then... The bigest seal is above that bearing which had stopped me pulling the pinion out, so the bearing had to come off.   This was a standard bearing so I thought it would be rude not to replace it.  There are two other bearings on the pinion shaft, a needle roller in the rack housing and one at the top of the pinion housing. The bottom one looks like a closed end drawn bearing but is an oddball size and I couldn't find one. The top one is an INA bearing part number F-208801.4 which is also listed as a 7830327103ZF by the rack manufacturer. I did find one on eBay from France but it was about fifty quid, so I left it in France. When the seals had eventually done enough globe trotting.  As you can see, there are two seals in the kit. But there are three seals in the rack.  On the top row we have new bearing, new seal, original INA bearing, new top seal and finally the original dirt seal. This is a 20x26x3mm seal. You can get these, I found them listed as a Honda part but it is easier and cheaper to get one with a 4mm thickness. this has the added advantage of moving the lip to a different part on the shaft and there is plenty of room in the housing to fit the deeper seal. So I got one of those.  Oh yeah, I forgot to say, before you strip off the pinion housing, you need to remove the thrust piston and spring which keeps the rack and pinion meshed. That is all these bits.  Nearly ready to put it back together, I just need new O rings for the pinion housing to main rack housing joint and to seal the thrust piston cover. These are they. This is the one for the thrust piston cover, the size is listed on servicebox and is actually the metric conversion of an imperial size.  The pinion housing seal size I had to work out by careful measurement and guesswork to take into account that it had been crushed inside there for god knows how many years. I went for this.  I say I seem to have enough bits to put it back together... ________________________________________ Make tea, not war.If it ain't broke......fix it until it is. |
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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 22:21
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #275
What you waiting for Mark ?......get on with it Just worked out there is approximately 2578 seals / 1369 bearings / 4731 nuts & bolts on 6 for you to change ....so I recon we may see your car in 4-7 years if you work on it ever night Good Info ...keep it up Mark & at least it stops you from straightening the Picture frames in the house ....joke m8PS ... your going to start giving others to many stripping ideas ....stop it now |
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Posted 21st Jun 2015 at 22:30
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