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 roland rat
Yeeeah Rat fans!  Location: Swansea Registered: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 22,284 Status: Offline |
Post #301
adam b wrote: roland rat wrote: i hate you!  if your masks and alloys disappear dont blame me!   Neither would suit your current car anyway - i'll wrap it white or red for you if you want?  Nah its wouldnt be worth anything then,100 black ones and all that  |
 Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 02:41
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marksorrento205
Seasoned Pro  Location: Airborne in the lanes Registered: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2,223 Status: Offline |
Post #302
What I could not get my head around, was the pump did not prime on the 2nd position of the ign key like the 205 / 306 does. So when I was testing / tracing it etc there was no power to the pump. However when I went to start the car, power went to the pump. Its like the fuel pump starts when you crank the engine. Strange and took some figuring out, but it works (well on the 205) and once the engine is started it carries on running untill you switch the ign off as it should. We have not fitted an inertia switch yet as we did not have one but its a quick job once we get hold of one  ________________________________________ How to do a clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 02:47
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #303
Ah now thats interesting. I'm not sure we tried starting it with the park switch connected at all.Cheers Mark - that might sort out that headache completely  ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 02:51
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #304
I was thinking about wrapping mine black just for a laugh Ash. But really I think i'll go for something obviously wrapped next time. Its a lot of work though so it can stay as it is for the time being. ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 02:55
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marksorrento205
Seasoned Pro Location: Airborne in the lanes Registered: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2,223 Status: Offline |
Post #305
One thing that may be different is yours is an auto set up isn't it? Is that not just a case of joining the in and outs etc? Or is the 306 much more complicated?________________________________________ How to do a clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 02:56
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #306
ecu/loom was off an auto, seemed to worked fine when the fuel pump was powered up directly, never tried to fire it up with the park/neutral switch earthed  thought they did prime but evidently not  The main issue we have in figuring out what's stopping it from running the pump is that there's no data for what signal several of the wires give Ade did comment that the ECU's were the same from manual to auto, but I haven't seen a Manual wiring diagram, and I know that there is a different part number for the manual/Auto ECU's. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 03:14
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #307
The ECUs are the same though apart from the park switch it seems. Does also seem to be just a case of joining the ins and outs yes. Well very nearly anyway...Meirion/welshpug has done 99% of it so my understanding is limited. However I did look into the relay issue with him edit: too slow ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 03:16
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marksorrento205
Seasoned Pro Location: Airborne in the lanes Registered: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2,223 Status: Offline |
Post #308
You not got autodata Mei? Thats what I used, that after a quick look at the wiring diagram on M@tts sig over on drivers. Whats the part no of the ecu you have and the one for the manual car. Daz has a spare ecu at mine that we have had his car running on so we know it works. I can check the pt no and see which one it is. I belive it came with the engine package which was a manual one. He may part with it but that would be between you and him, and if it made a difference???As for the fuel pump wire, we only used one. It comes from one of the double relays. I dont do wire no's or colours so I can help that side of things. I have never found a pug wire that matches the dia so do the good old "bell the wire out" methord and use pin no's ________________________________________ How to do a clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 03:56
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #309
yup, have autodata!IIRC the ecu's part number ends in 234, can't remember 100% what the other part number I've seen is. off ATP's listing the part number is 0 261 204 076 for the Xantia/406, and 0 261 204 407 for the Coupe, though its by no means an exhaustive and up to date listing. fuel pump is wired to the relay fine, it ran when I gave it 12v up its ass at the relay! just no power from pin 3 of the ECU to trigger that part of the relay for the fuel pump. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 04:41
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marksorrento205
Seasoned Pro Location: Airborne in the lanes Registered: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2,223 Status: Offline |
Post #310
Should you be getting power from pin 3 of the ecu or should it ground it? Pin 3 from the ecu goes to pin 10 of the double relay. The other side in on the double relay (pin 2 ) is coming from the battery + or perm live is it not or am I missing something? I will see which part no ecu we have other the next couple of daysTeestuffs ecu part no that we have had his running on ends in 407 ________________________________________ How to do a clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 27th Feb 2010 at 03:44
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #311
yeah, that's correct, perm + to 2 and 11, switching from the ecu between 10 and 3, power to the FP from Pin 1not sure what kind of signal it needs exactly but Autodata says 11-14v on ignition, i.e as in for a prime, which is why I thought they did, but then much less Voltage when the engine is running for soe reason, enough to pull the relay on I guess. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 04:44
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marksorrento205
Seasoned Pro Location: Airborne in the lanes Registered: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2,223 Status: Offline |
Post #312
Nuts and bolts anyday ________________________________________ How to do a clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 05:00
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #313
markrallye wrote: Nuts and bolts anyday Until you get to the sodding seat bolt ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 22nd Feb 2010 at 19:16
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #314
Update:Seat is in (gravel in the way doh). PAS pipes now on, had to have one made up to fit. Top mount padded out to try to reduce engine movement. ECU and relays have been moved to the other side of the car to sit the 306 battery box. Clutch cable fettled again At some point we've picked up a wiring fault as it now won't start. Turns over fine, relays seem to be powering up but no starting. Got to go back over all the extended wires to check they are ok. If they are then its pointing towards the ECU stopping working for some reason. Still have the fuel pump relay issue as well. Typical as it'd be on the road otherwise. ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 25th Feb 2010 at 15:09
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roland rat
Yeeeah Rat fans! Location: Swansea Registered: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 22,284 Status: Offline |
Post #315
Teething probs huh?  |
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Posted 26th Feb 2010 at 02:56
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #316
bas**rd fecking wiring/ecu ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 26th Feb 2010 at 03:07
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #317
welshpug! wrote: bas**rd fecking wiring/ecu I think it might have p*ssed you off a tad I'll go through everything again, check the immobiliser is correct as well - could be giving power as the key is right but not the right signal to the ECU. Was also wondering if the alarm system had a hold on the ECU at all? Doubt it, but worth considering. ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 26th Feb 2010 at 03:40
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #318
welshpug! wrote: bas**rd fecking wiring/ecu it is a bas**rd to swork out tho, i cant do wiring problems ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 26th Feb 2010 at 03:49
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #319
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Posted 26th Feb 2010 at 05:15
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #320
Well it did work.... Going problem-hunting sunday morning to see what I can find. Might be a buggered ECU or coilpack yet.________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 27th Feb 2010 at 03:19
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #321
tesstuff wrote: welshpug! wrote: bas**rd fecking wiring/ecu Thought you were good at the wiring side Mei, you could always let Mark help you out, he found it a doddle wiring up my v6 to be honest as adam said, we did get the bugger to start, and now it wont wiring is fine I think, as I said, it has started... a manual unlocked ecu would help to trace the problem I think, the auto one wasn't wanting to play ball with the fuel pump relay but worked the other ones fine, i have a feeling something got damaged when we tried to get around the park/neutral switch. we did spend several hours going through the loom buzzing through the modified wiring and checking live feeds etc, couldn't check to see if the injectors were firing as my power probe has died crank sensor is fine, we took it off and fitted it to Adam's 406 where it worked fine. car is between Evesham and the nam ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 27th Feb 2010 at 03:50
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marksorrento205
Seasoned Pro Location: Airborne in the lanes Registered: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2,223 Status: Offline |
Post #322
Is the part no listed on the previous page any help ________________________________________ How to do a clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 27th Feb 2010 at 03:50
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #323
might be, I need to see what Goliath has on his, this one is a 234, I see Daz's is a Coupe ECU.what confused me more is Ade's comment that all the ecu's are the same, and that Autodata shows the wires for the auto but no actual data for the signal/voltage req ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 27th Feb 2010 at 03:53
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roland rat
Yeeeah Rat fans! Location: Swansea Registered: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 22,284 Status: Offline |
Post #324
Finished this yet? |
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Posted 28th Feb 2010 at 00:24
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #325
roland rat wrote: Finished this yet? Not yet no. Was attacking it with a multimeter earlier checking wiring. All good except the shield earth on the crank sensor isn't earthed. Unlikely to be the cause but will sort it out tomorrow and try it again. Will also swap immobilisers just in case. Any replacement unlocked V6 ECU would be a fine thing to try! ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 28th Feb 2010 at 00:32
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