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| Author | Subject: 406 Brembos and Xantia Disc help |
 welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #51
correction, I think most people use a 288mm C5 disc, that is 28mm thick and 34.2mm height.that's the same as a Xantia 110 HDI estate, 7.98 kilos. they seem ideal bar being 7mm smaller diameter, so 3.5mm less for the pads to grab onto. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
 Posted 12th Dec 2009 at 23:47
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #52
Same disc as the V6 Xantia?________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 12th Dec 2009 at 23:47
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #53
yup  Xantia V6 uses a normal Bosch caliper like the 110 hdi. not from memory, or servicebox  I found the Textar online catalogue, same catalogue as Mintex Ferodo and Bosch amongst a few by the looks of it________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 12th Dec 2009 at 23:54
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #54
I'm going to weigh everything before I swap them anyway. Need to get new hoses, fluid, some spacers and the new seal before I fit them. Probably going to paint them as well as they look a bit used.________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 12th Dec 2009 at 23:58
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #55
cool, I'd like to know how much the caliper itself weighs  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 00:00
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #56
Not much for the size of it! Will do - with or without pads?________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 00:05
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #57
just the weight of the pads would do, found the weight of the caliper on the 205 forum as there's a topic documenting weights of various bits quote: 406 Coupe V6 Brembo 4-pot calipers: 3750 grams per caliper ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 00:16
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lotek
Seasoned Pro  Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #58
the caliper weighs sod all  especially in comparason to the sandard item.also i found something very interesting. i looked at some discs from a 307 lx and from memory they were 283?x 23.. BUT....... they had those coin shape cut outs that phillipm was mentioning about to reduce/shift harmonic waves...... I.E stop squeeling....... |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 00:20
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #59
23mm isn't wide enough though is it? What make?________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 00:24
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #60
Welly's willwood caliper setup Complete with pads and bracket, 2.5 Kilos.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 00:37
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #61
im not sure what make they are adam, i presume standard pug fitment, but its the first time ive seen those slots on discs.23mm maybie a bit small, im not sure who would know for cetain either.. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 00:43
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #62
most likely a 22mm disc, or an extremely worn 26mm one.sounds like an ATE Powerdisc.  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 00:58
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #63
it would be interesting to see if any other pug discs have those cutouts , im certain, there is a combination to be had that doesent squeel other than bells and rotors. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 00:56
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #64
ford discs? |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 00:58
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #65
they squeeel often enough on a 406 with 406 discs....________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 00:59
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #66
Not, not like that Mei - a half circular cutout in the vents and halfway into the disc faces either side, helps shift the harmonic frequency.Imagine a keyseat cutter pushed sideways into the vents of the disc. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 01:27
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #67
ahh right, hmmmm.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 01:34
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #68
welshpug! wrote: Welly's willwood caliper setup Complete with pads and bracket, 2.5 Kilos. That's it, upset him ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 01:40
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #69
phillipm wrote: welshpug! wrote: Welly's willwood caliper setup Complete with pads and bracket, 2.5 Kilos. That's it, upset him The forum will be broken until christmas now  I would have gone for the Willwoods, but they're too much dough. I know what you mean Phil on the cutouts multiple crescent shaped. Come standard on a few cars, but none I can remember right now! Lotek - they don't squeal at all on Dan_s16s car with DS2500s and Tarox G88 discs. I'm not actually that fussed about squeal, until the summer when the windows have to be open. ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 02:44
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #70
phillipm wrote: welshpug! wrote: Welly's willwood caliper setup Complete with pads and bracket, 2.5 Kilos. That's it, upset him  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 02:55
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #71
I meant Adam...they're lighter than his  ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 05:10
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #72
adam b wrote: Lotek - they don't squeal at all on Dan_s16s car with DS2500s and Tarox G88 discs. I'm not actually that fussed about squeal, until the summer when the windows have to be open i want to find a cure as il be going back to brembos onc my beam ect is sorted. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 08:48
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #73
I just weighed a gti6 caliper and yoke minus pads on my highly accurate Ikea bathroom scales and got 6 kilos.so 2.25 kilos less on the caliper, but 2kg's heavier on the disc ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 17:29
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #74
Seriously?! Fook me they are heavy!!________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 13th Dec 2009 at 21:28
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro  Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #75
welshpug! wrote: I just weighed a gti6 caliper and yoke minus pads on my highly accurate Ikea bathroom scales and got 6 kilos. so 2.25 kilos less on the caliper, but 2kg's heavier on the disc But far better braking ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 14th Dec 2009 at 21:07
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