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matty_rallye

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Back in march i had a fair amount of engine work done on the 306 ( cams, bodies, management, valve springs etc) can be found here! Clicky.

Now im getting the bottom end of the engine built up to a decent spec which should hopefully be quite successful. I have managed to source a 2.1 xu 406 crankshaft which will be fully balanced. Also 87mm pistons will be fitted which will take the cc to 2187. Obviously the block will be re-bored.

Again Sandy is doing the engine work so should all be spot on. Hopefully by early in jan the work should be done so hoping for some good gains as im told the head on the gti-6 will work well with the increase in cc!

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Posted 14th Dec 2007 at 02:58
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Looking forward to seeing this mate! Any ideas on bhp and torque you'll be expecting?
Posted 14th Dec 2007 at 15:55
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excellent, the work looked very tidy last time, get some pics up when you get yourself sorted Yes

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Posted 14th Dec 2007 at 16:06
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matty_rallye

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Yea should hopefully show some good gains in torque and bhp, unsure on the amount of torque that will be gained but bhp wise im hoping for between 190-200 at the wheels, dont know if its being a bit too optimistic but i can hope!

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Posted 15th Dec 2007 at 03:07
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Can't wait to see this either, when I last saw it at Castle Combe, it certainly looked rapid and sounded amazing.

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Posted 15th Dec 2007 at 03:20
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matty_rallye

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Ah yea i remember you saying then. Hopefully be back on at spring action day again Wink

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Posted 15th Dec 2007 at 04:03
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Bolt on a charger too Whistle

2.2 supercharged would be awesome Cool

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Posted 15th Dec 2007 at 18:52
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rich_w wrote:
Bolt on a charger too Whistle

2.2 supercharged would be awesome Cool





Whistle
Posted 15th Dec 2007 at 19:01
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fletch wrote:
rich_w wrote:
Bolt on a charger too Whistle

2.2 supercharged would be awesome Cool





Whistle


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Posted 16th Dec 2007 at 16:29
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matty_rallye

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2.2 charged would be awesome. Would also be very difficult with the bodies and also cost me a fair bit, would be nice to afford it tho Sad

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Posted 16th Dec 2007 at 17:38
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What model of 406 was this crank from?,
Sounds like it will be a nice engine when done, especially with Sandy on the job, turns out some sweet engines!
Posted 17th Dec 2007 at 02:26
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Just been looking on Autotrader, was it from one of the TD versions?

Might be a stupid question, but wont the compression ratio be increased due to the longer throw of the crank to gain the extra cc's?
Posted 17th Dec 2007 at 02:32
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matty_rallye

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Yes the crank is from a 2.1 td engine that was used in the xantia and also the 406. Got it from ebay for £80 delivered, won the engine complete and got the chap to remove the crank and send it and he kept the rest!

Yes i would have thought cr probably will change as there is a longer stroke on the crank and the block is being rebored for the larger pistons.

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Posted 17th Dec 2007 at 02:44
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Cool

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Posted 17th Dec 2007 at 06:25
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rich_w wrote:
Bolt on a charger too Whistle

2.2 supercharged would be awesome Cool


what kind of hp we looking at with that upgrade?
Posted 17th Dec 2007 at 09:12
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what you mean with a charger?

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Posted 17th Dec 2007 at 14:11
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Plex wrote:
rich_w wrote:
Bolt on a charger too Whistle

2.2 supercharged would be awesome Cool


what kind of hp we looking at with that upgrade?


too much power for a FWD car. LOL

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Posted 17th Dec 2007 at 18:33
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Also too much money for my wallet Wink

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Posted 17th Dec 2007 at 19:14
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Bit of an update!

Sold the KMS ecu, loom etc on ebay last week. Have been looking for DTA for a while and one came up which i won for £380 which i was pretty chuffed with. Main reason for change is that the DTA is far easier to get mapped and setup correctly.

Head is off engine and block removed. Now i believe it is waiting to be sent to be decked and bored.

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Posted 6th Jan 2008 at 17:19
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cool, cant wait to see the results, maybe a future mod for me Big grin

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Posted 9th Jan 2008 at 04:03
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Bout time i updated this! Its still stripped at the moment. Have had a major problem in that the catcams that were bought and fitted about 10 months ago are knackered. The lobes on the camshafts are worn, especially on the inlet cam and the followers are also worn! To say i was gutted is an understatement!

Obviously pretty shocked by this! However new cams are being ordered, catcams again, possibly with slightly less lift but a little more duration (valve spring permitting).

Hopefully about 2 weeks it should be ready!

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Posted 31st Jan 2008 at 02:11
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Why had they worn so much? Had they removed the oil spray bar to fit them?

Also i assume you bought from QEP, who have also assured me my cams will fit fine, and the spray bar isn't needed Dunno

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Posted 31st Jan 2008 at 02:15
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isnt this crankshaft from 1.9 diesel?? is for XU engine and has 87mm

great crankshaft for performance engine!! size and weight!! I want one of these IF i mount my engine forged, but here doesnt exist diesel PSAs, only in argentina, paraguay, ...

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Posted 31st Jan 2008 at 22:25
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matty_rallye

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ecureuil_zx16v wrote:
isnt this crankshaft from 1.9 diesel?? is for XU engine and has 87mm

great crankshaft for performance engine!! size and weight!! I want one of these IF i mount my engine forged, but here doesnt exist diesel PSAs, only in argentina, paraguay, ...

Na its the crank from the 2.1 td. 92mm stroke i believe?

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Posted 31st Jan 2008 at 23:35
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92?? OMG

what measure of rods and pistons are using?

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Posted 1st Feb 2008 at 00:02
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