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rich_w

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Post #151
redrallye wrote:
Gutting....


Completely!!

If you felt like me, you probably feel like setting fire to it - but try and resist Laugh

Looks like it will be an animal in the end Devil

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Posted 18th Apr 2008 at 22:34
mechanical_repairs

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Post #152
Brilliant thread, nice work there too. Read it before but just sat here and read it all again, hope the engine fix goes ok, sad to hear it.

Its so depressing when all that hard work has to be re done i should know, have had to do jobs a few times over myself.

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Posted 18th Apr 2008 at 22:35
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Post #153
hang in there
just read the whole thread
a credit to you
Posted 18th Apr 2008 at 23:46
Yeungster

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Post #154
Really tough luck.

Let Sandy know that my car can wait until all his important business has been taken care of!
Posted 18th Apr 2008 at 23:47
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Post #155
Feel for you mate but hopefully just a case of building all the bits back up into a fresh block, fingers crossed. So what were the results on the corner weighting? Did you manage to get an equal 25% all round on each corner and what was the total weight? 9xxkgs?
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Posted 19th Apr 2008 at 04:32
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Post #156
better to find out about these thigns now than kater on though.

every cloud has a silver wotsit. etc.. etc..

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Posted 19th Apr 2008 at 19:12
mabgti

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Post #157
This looks spot on, you'll get there in the end..

Interested in your radiator setup? is it a ford one??

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Posted 20th Apr 2008 at 00:57
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Post #158
It's already been fixed and mapped, with good VERY good power too!

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Posted 20th Apr 2008 at 01:20
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Post #159
nice one, not done it quite to your scale but had engines in and out numerous times to find more problems one after another and get to a stage of thinking "fook this right off" but hang in there. sounds like you've got it sorted already Big grin Thumbs up

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Posted 20th Apr 2008 at 01:33
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Post #160
Thanks all, well there was a bit of a turn up for the books last Friday when I had a call from Sandy to say it was sorted!
I'll quote his report on the fix and map...

Sandy wrote:
Well, what an emotional week!

Once I'd removed the engine from the car, it was clear to see that there was a neat 10-12mm hole in the block above the water pump housing. I had fitted the spacer that fits under that head bolt ok, but I must have run the bolt too far down the thread when I was whizzing the bolts up and down to polish the threads before the head went on. Terrible mistake, and god knows I paid for it! The hole was so neat, that Colin was quickly able to machine up a two piece plug that could clamp either side of the hole with a small bolt through it. With the aid of some high temp Epoxy to seal it, the repair was made and I crossed my fingers, prayed a bit (kind of) and gulped hard, hoping that the repair would work.
A couple more days to get it back in and working again took us up to yesterday, when I filled it up with coolant and waited for leaks that thankfully, didn't appear! Finally got to run the cams in properly and very pleased with how it was going, left it last night.
This morning Colin towed it down to the rollers at SRD for me and After waiting nervously for Mark to finish one of his stock car Pintos, I was able to strap the 306 into the rollers and get started. I started with 90mm trumpets and had the 40mm ones handy to try.
The map seemed to flow quite well on the lower speeds sites, remarkably vice free really and no crazy spikes of fuel or ignition were needed to make it work, which is always encouraging and usually a sign of a well matched set up. It took remarkably little advance to make best power which is also something that makes me feel positive, because it invariably means it's working efficiently.
As we worked through the full throttle sites and gradually built the revs up, the figures seemed to be very strong from around 3500rpm, I'd been worried before hand that the engine might need a chunk of revs to deliver good power, but it already appeared to be making stonking power (without analysing it at this stage). At 6000rpm, it was struggling to get traction on the rollers, so we had to crank down the straps much harder than normal to get a stable power reading (which increases the losses) and at 7000rpm it peaked at 182bhp at the wheels, which considering the extra loss, equates to about 215-218bhp at the flywheel. Working back through the figures revealed a remarkable peak torque of approximately 173lbft at 6000rpm (97lbft/litre, the best XU specific NA torque I've seen yet) I was expecting around 150-155 lbft realistically, so this came as a real shock. If I hadn't seen so many engines correlate so precisely in these rollers lately, I wouldn't have believed it, but it was there and repeatable! When I spoke to John Read (who's cam profiles and exhaust manifold geometry I used) about it later, he didn't seem overly surprised, he's seen similar results from his XEs and Duratecs before.
I was delighted with the torque, but couldn't help wondering if I'd overdone the tract length and was perhaps curbing the peak power slightly, so I swapped the trumpets over to the shorter ones to see.
Very low down, the shorter trumpets worked better, but from 4500 upwards it was losing around 20bhp at the wheels on every site and the fuelling had to be corrected by a corresponding amount, so at 6000rpm we decided it was a waste of time, it was potentially going to make more power at the top (possibly), but the loss of mid range would have made the car much harder to drive, in fact the results with the shorter trumpets were more like I was expecting the engine to give before I ran it!
After switching back to the longer trumpets and trimming the detail, I was able to take the car out of the rollers and breathe a deep sigh of relief! Followed by the joy of telling Alan all was well (I'd kept quiet since "Black Tuesday").
Here are the results (estimated flywheel figures) in a crude plot, as per my usual:


I don't think i'll feel fully confident about the engine until I have proof it's reliable, but making the grunt so early on as it does, will certainly help by keeping the revs down! I look forward to hearing it and seeing it out there most of all.

I must thank Alan for his patience, understanding and perseverance, along with my other customers who have been equally brilliant. Most of all though I must thank the Sandy Brown Sympathy Network:
Colin Satchell (Still not entirely sure why he puts up with me), Mark Shillaber, Neil Shilling, Pete Willis, John "Readophile" Read, Anne, Atters, Edwins, Jimbo, and all.
Posted 22nd Apr 2008 at 23:35
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Post #161
Went to pick it up on Sat after spending the morning at Combe for the action day and got home about 1:30am on Sunday, man that was a long day!

Took it out for a little blast up the lane outside Colins and holey friggin moley does it go, its an absolute animal!! And the sound is incredible, never been in anything like it.

Can't wait to get on a track with it! Big grin
Was planning on doing a test day at Llandow tomorrow, buuuut I had a bit of a set back yesterday afternoon. I managed to crush the top of my thumb in the windscreen wiper mechanism while trying to see if it worked clearly in the scuttle pannel. Powerfull little motor on that and Ouch did it hurt... up to the hospital, bandaged up and no driving for a bit Sad ARSE!!

Working on it's gonna be a bit more of a struggle too, but I'll get there. There's still 2 weeks.

Left to do is:

Washer bottle - Mount internally, wire and plumb in.
Fire extinguisher - Plumb in and fit extra pull cord
Buy and fit fuel filler cap
Secure the internal lines - Fuel, brakes, pull cords & wiring
Mount ECU
Water change
Clamp battery down
Fit and wire in transponder
Buy new switch for elec window and mount on door
Buy and fit door cards
Make back plate for air filter and attach to trumpets
Fit and modify scuttle pannel
Bolt check everything
Put 2nd subframe bolts back in
Roll arches
buy and fit non-return fuel breather filter
Wire in horn
Paint bumper, side strip and wing mirrors
Wire in heated screen
Cut out door, boot and bonnet skins
Finish cutting and tidying dash
Paint brackets and re-paint floor
Move temperature sender to new position
Fit gromets in bulkhead and blank off all holes

That about what I can think of, I'm sure there's probably more though :?

Sorry, not got many pics. Bit of an early end to the day yesterday.

Fuel tank:


Zorst:


Flight control panel:


Custom MooG-Spec induction box/tray:

(Cheers Atters!)

Dash by night:





Oops:

I wont post the gory ones though. Sad
Posted 22nd Apr 2008 at 23:38
Yeungster

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Post #162
Great work. Extremely promising results. bet you're well excited
Posted 22nd Apr 2008 at 23:40
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Post #163
Looking like the bees knees now, bet you cant wait to get it out there Devil

I would really like to see some detailed interior pics once its finished for some ideas as to what to do with my dash etc. if you dont mind.

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Posted 23rd Apr 2008 at 04:31
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Post #164
Really looking forward to driving it! Should hopefully be testing at Combe next Friday, before the race on the Monday.

It looks a bit of a mess inside at the mo. Needs some brackets etc finishing off and bits mounted and a bit of a re-paint. As soon as I've done that I'll take some pics.
Posted 25th Apr 2008 at 20:08
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Post #165
wow, such an impressive stance.. hats off mr. dixon.

If your going up Llandow i used to do some karting up there Cool

Quick little circuit that Happy

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Posted 25th Apr 2008 at 20:19
dixon

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Post #166
Love the track, have driven it a few times in my old 205.
The chicane after the back straight is ace! Big grin

Don't think I'm gonna have time to get to Llandow next week, first drive should be next Friday at Combe I expect.
Posted 25th Apr 2008 at 21:35
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Post #167
Shock, horror, no one's disputing his rolling road figuresShock Laugh my ass off

Excellent build fella, I've been reading this thread since you started it and have been looking forward to reading the results. BrilliantThumbs up

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Posted 26th Apr 2008 at 01:41
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Post #168
Great thread good luck with the racing !!
Posted 26th Apr 2008 at 14:51
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Post #169
Pukka project fella Big grin must have read this thread a few times now!

An insperation to anyone wishing to do a trackcar project.

Best of luck, looks awesome

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Posted 26th Apr 2008 at 15:06
CUJ

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Post #170
Fantastic thread Thumbs up

Look forward to seeing some video footage of the car on track Thumbs up

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Posted 26th Apr 2008 at 15:18
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Post #171
dont forget your gti6.com stickersWhistle are you gonna be racing at silverstone?? if you are let me know the date and ill pop along for some supportThumbs up

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Posted 26th Apr 2008 at 16:21
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Post #172
Looks like a great build!! great work too, but is it just me or do you now have no speedo Razz
Posted 26th Apr 2008 at 18:34
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Post #173
Looks good, do you know the weight yet?
900kg+-?
Posted 30th Apr 2008 at 22:54
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Post #174
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dont forget your gti6.com stickersWhistle are you gonna be racing at silverstone?? if you are let me know the date and ill pop along for some supportThumbs up


I wouldn't have thought he will be racing at Silverstone Stue, im sure he is in a Castle Combe cup thingy.

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Posted 1st May 2008 at 02:22
smighall

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Post #175
Yeah this is for the combe championship Yes

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