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phillipm

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Post #451
Better than it being too short I suppose! LOL

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Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 04:28
chris with a pug

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Post #452
well yeah, is the dash bar you got there straight
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 04:34
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Post #453
the rear stays are meant to be supported at the frontmost beam mounting point too, i've only just noticed that comparing some ex-works shell challenge cage fittings. basically some bracket that support the gap under the rear stay bar's bend

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Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 04:41
chris with a pug

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Post #454
The diagram shows they are one peice. the F2 deffo have it in two parts, but they have a brace going to that suspension mount to that attatches to the hoop
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 04:43
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Post #455
they are one piece but the suports are missing, they are on mine too, another job for phil LOL

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306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips
306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges
gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3)
winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club]
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 04:44
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306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips
306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges
gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3)
winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club]
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 04:45
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Post #457
oh so how do u unbolt the suspension?
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 04:45
chris with a pug

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Post #458
ah i see is that just plate then?
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 04:48
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Post #459
the nuts aren't hidden ^ look @ the pic

although my rear stays are right over the nuts for the beam at the front so i've bought some spanners with like swan necks in the right size to get to them Yes had rear beam off loads now



yeah just a mounting plate, not crucial but shows the design changed a bit [or they forgot bits LOL]

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306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips
306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges
gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3)
winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club]
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 04:50
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Post #460
how come urs goes over the holes? it it just how the hoop is?
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 05:05
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Post #461
i have had the cage pulled further inwards to the shell so it's stitch welded to the shell down the B and A pillars Smile also had it altered a fair amount from the custom cages spec

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306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips
306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges
gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3)
winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club]
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 05:08
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Post #462
All Rikky's cage was pushed right out and stressed against the shell with either a ram or simply being made to be a press fit to the bodywork before welding - it's all putting pressure outwards against the car chassis to stiffen the structure as much as possible.
'S welded on the door and screen bars too Wink

This dash bar up here is bent, is yours straight then?

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Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 05:40
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Post #463
yeah my dash bar is straight
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 05:16
phillipm

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Post #464
Do they actually have one design for this cage or do they just throw in whatever's nearest on the shelf? Laugh my ass off


Did you get B-pillar gussets? They didn't include them this time around until the were phoned Dry

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Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 05:19
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Post #465
god knows, on the diagram it looks straight
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 05:18
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Post #466
how can it work being straight Unsure it has to go through the steering column or atleast over it, in which case it has to push back towards the middle, f*cking odd!

is this an off the shelf cage or an 'off the top of our head' cage when someone orders it?!

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306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips
306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges
gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3)
winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club]
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 05:20
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Post #467
It's a "That on the shelf there looks close enough, send that with it" cage.

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Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 05:21
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Post #468
and it was my damn 306, of every person in the country with a 306!!! to be wrong

in 15yrs of these cages nobody thought to tell them of all these issues till that day i rung them? oh my f*cking god

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306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips
306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges
gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3)
winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club]
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 05:23
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Post #469
they say they dont supply them, well they did to jim. I will just buy some off Paul
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 05:24
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Post #470
i can't think of a word at the moment other than "whoppers"

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306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges
gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3)
winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club]
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 05:25
phillipm

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Post #471
rikky wrote:

in 15yrs of these cages nobody thought to tell them of all these issues till that day i rung them? oh my f*cking god


Looking at some I've seen installed since, I think most people just threw the cage in, welded it where it landed and crossed their fingers...LOL

I've seen one where the a-pillar was pushed in so far at the floor in order to get the top to fit, there's a worn patch on the paint where the blokes leg rubs against it when he's pressing the go pedal Unsure LOL

Be interesting the day he gets a shunt sideways, must not like his ankles.

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Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 05:38
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Post #472
LOL

mine being stitch welded to the shell = the reason it's so damn loud i imagine combined with totally solid mounts throughout. shakes like a shitting dog but jesus christ it feels stiff and chuckable Blink

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306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips
306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges
gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3)
winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club]
Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 05:45
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Post #473
Yeah, the shell won't be absorbing much in the way of vibration LOL

Problem is, if you push it up to the shell and don't weld it, one you don't gain the stiffness benefit - and if you're going to the time and effort of putting all that cage in in the first place it seems a bit silly not to spend the extra few hours getting it to fit right up to the shell... - and two the whole thing squeaks like f*ck on bumpy roads as the shell flexes against it Laugh my ass off

I borrowed a Metro once off my brother that had a cage like that, he used to WD40 it where it touched the shell it was so annoying LOL

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Posted 16th Jul 2010 at 05:57
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Post #474
Well I havent updated this for ages, but I thought I should now.

Still getting bit. And here is some of my recent purchases.

Feeling sorry for Jim my expert fabricator and the grief we are having with the cage, I ordered a bucket seat mounting kit from tweaks to make his life a bit easier.



But as you know you cant just order one thing once you get on the web site, so I also ordered this, which will sit under the bonnet incase my bat goes flat and also its just easier to jump off than climbing behind the seat.



and also some anchor plates for the eyelets for the harnesses



I also put an order in to frosts for some radiator black (see the pic later in the thread)
Some underseal remover, some plasticgauge and some heat reflective stuff so I can use this instead of heat sheilds



But for 60 quid for that its a bit expensive.

I want to get the car rolling as soon as possible so I have sent my trailing arms off to Bridge craft engineering to have 3degs of negative camber machined into them.

I also odered this little lot



That is 25mm torsion bars and a 30mm ARB.

I need to put some earth points into the car so I brought a bag of weld in nuts for this.



So I set about yesterday to sort out stealthing my intercooler, and to be honest I think it looks better in satin black than natural.

Before


after

after 1 coat



after the second coat



I do love the stealth look.

I then did the same to the oil cooler



but forgot the after pic DOH.

And now for the cage!!
Now once they are fitted, there is no arguments they are so much better than a bolt in Jobbie, but OMG what a pain to get it in.

None of the rear stays are right, the A pillar bits are wrong, its mental.

But we will get there, its just gonna take a whole heap of time.

Posted 26th Sep 2010 at 19:21
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Post #475
I love a good update on a project thread, keep em coming! Every time I hear someone's story having fitted a weld-in cage I'm a little more put off ever getting one.

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