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miki4

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Hi all,

I'm going to fit an exhaust and inlet manifold with new studs and nuts. Autodata says 35 Nm torque for exhaust manifold and 20 Nm for inlet manifold.

Do you screw the studs in by hand and then just fit the manifold and torque the nuts to the specific torque figure? Or should I screw the studs in with a counternut first to - let's say +8 Nm of the given torque figure and then put on the manifold and torque down the nuts? Latter way would probably avoid the studs coming out before the nuts loosen next time the manifold will be removed. Or will I strip the threads?

Is it advisable to use copper grease on the threads that go into the head?

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Posted 8th Nov 2016 at 17:25
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I'm probably going to get destroyed for this comment bit I would just tighten them tight but not too tight. I never torque things I just dont be stupid and over tighten

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Posted 8th Nov 2016 at 18:14
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If it's a non moving part, as it is in this case just do it reasonably tight. I only torque stuff that really requires a specific torque, oh and wheel nuts. Manifold will be fine to just tighten. Be sure you use the correct type of studs though or you'll crack the manifold over time due to stress.

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Posted 8th Nov 2016 at 19:10
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I prefer the exhaust manifold studs with the solid centre allows for better adjustments and correct depth
I also prefer to torque everything but as said not necessary for non moving parts as long as you tighten evenly

So to answers screw them in nip them up then torque with the nuts are u using copper nuts ???

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Posted 8th Nov 2016 at 20:49
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Okay, thanks for the answers. Usually on non vital parts I do it that way too but seeing pics of cracked exhaust manifolds I thought I would just use a torque wrench for peace of mind. Since some of them nuts are only reachable with a spanner I won't be able to use a torque wrench on them anyway. Will do it with a good portion of sensitiveness. Big grin Thumbs up

What do you think about copper grease? Any negative aspects? I want to use it on the nuts' threads and potentially on the whole studs to prevent corrosion. Is it good for the aluminum head? I ordered some original studs and nuts from Peugeot btw.
Posted 8th Nov 2016 at 23:23
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It's good practice to use genuine nuts n studs, the nuts are copper the studs are inkernel if my memory serves me right, it's all to do with expansion rates of dissimilar metals hence use genuine for peace of mind.

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Posted 9th Nov 2016 at 09:22
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The standard copper nuts tend to 'lock' on to the threads of the stud anyway as the internal thread of the nuts are not totally round, but more like rugby ball shaped, so they shouldn't undo of their own accord when you've done them up. Thumbs up

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Posted 9th Nov 2016 at 16:54
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I wouldn't be putting copper slip on studs wound into a head on an exhaust manifold. You might find they unwind themselves because if the constant vibration and heat changes.

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Posted 17th Nov 2016 at 13:27
armzsc6

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manthos wrote:
I'm probably going to get destroyed for this comment bit I would just tighten them tight but not too tight. I never torque things I just dont be stupid and over tighten


Wouldn't destroy you for that mate.... I've worked with a guy who was obsessed with using a torque wrench on pretty much everything.... even bloody sump plugs etc. Waste of time if you don't know when tight is tight shouldn't be working on cars.

I usually use torque wrist lol my own feel for when things are tight enough unless it's something that needs to be FT or for things like bearing caps cam carriers head bolts etc obviously they require precuse torque. Also anything with stretch bolts (like everything Inside the rocker cover on my leon) needs torquing correctly too then angle torque after.

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Posted 17th Nov 2016 at 13:33

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