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rory77

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It's all in the title really.

My 6 track car is standard on the engine front. Running round Brands yesterday I was driven mad by an Escort Cossie getting embarrassed round the bends, ignoring the blue flags and flooring it on the straights.

Conclusion, I need more power! This is a 'cheap' (no such thing!) track only car so I'm only going to chuck a grand at it. What can/should I do. Where should I do it, I keep hearing people talking about RichW and Colin and so on but where the hell do I find these people?

From what I can gather, I can only go to mild cams so where am I going to find 30 bhp without pocketed Pistons etc?

Not exactly an exciting question but any advice greatly appreciated, the easier the better!
Posted 27th Jul 2016 at 22:03
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Pm richw
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Posted 27th Jul 2016 at 22:12
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Sorry to dissapoint but you need to save yourself a grand and go and get the marshalls to have a word with the escort driver. Either that or man up and stick it down the inside on one of the corners you're closest. A grand will make f**k all difference on how far behind the Cossie you are if you spend it on the engine, better spent on brakes and suspension.

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Posted 27th Jul 2016 at 22:14
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Back off. Pit. Have a coffee. Go out when Billy Big bo***cks is in the pits.

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Posted 27th Jul 2016 at 22:24
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Make it lighter and as said sort the handling!

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Posted 27th Jul 2016 at 23:43
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Been here myself as many others have:

I personally Agree with these guys ....In the last 4months I have only just got the power I always dreamed of ...2 years ago I did my Brakes & then suspension then wheels & Tyres then lightened the car then Throttle bodies with x8 injectors & two years later the full engine ....

Spend your money on Handling & Brakes & defo decent Tyres Thumbs up

Don't worry to much about the power to start with ?.....Powers wasted if you can't stop it or it doesn't handle great Thumbs up
Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 00:03
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rory77

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I've only just clocked the category I put this in, what a nob! Anyway, to those saying I have to sort the handling, I was all over him everywhere except the straights, backing off through the corners so I didn't run into the back of him. Spoke to race control for first time ever about the point and squirt and they had a word. Go into pits for a coffee is a cracking idea but they had 2 drivers (who were both shirt) car was out all day. Obviously couldn't drive for s**t, I came out of pits on Indy circuit just in front and was on him in 4 laps.

The idea of passing the Cossie on the straight was a bit of a joke but original enquiry stands, can I get 30bhp for a grand?

Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 01:15
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Running Black Diamond 6 groove discs, DS2500's on standard calipers, C5 Steelies with ducts, Yoko AD08r, Spax PSX, Lightened but more to go. Standard ARB etc. Where else should I put the cash? Roller bearing bushes? Hybrid ARB? Coilovers? Flywheel? LSD? Coilovers? Machined Hubs? Brakes (Which I assume will need wheels)?

What do you guys think, where's my grand best spent?
Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 01:29
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rory77 wrote:
Running Black Diamond 6 groove discs, DS2500's on standard calipers, C5 Steelies with ducts, Yoko AD08r, Spax PSX, Lightened but more to go. Standard ARB etc. Where else should I put the cash? Roller bearing bushes? Hybrid ARB? Coilovers? Flywheel? LSD? Coilovers? Machined Hubs? Brakes (Which I assume will need wheels)?

What do you guys think, where's my grand best spent?


My 3j plate diff made the biggest difference to my car ...but no good on the road ....clunky / clicky ...£700 ish ...then my 2.4 Quick steering rack from P1 VTS ...£200-£250 for a good one ....then a Satchel Shift Thumbs up
Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 06:26
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look for a shorter more technical track you will rinse most stuff Wink
Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 06:28
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Was Indy circuit so only 1.2 miles long with a couple of pretty short straights, only things going past me were one of the caterhams, a fully race prepped 330, radical and a mini. Was quicker than everything else.
Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 08:16
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Day666 wrote:
rory77 wrote:
Running Black Diamond 6 groove discs, DS2500's on standard calipers, C5 Steelies with ducts, Yoko AD08r, Spax PSX, Lightened but more to go. Standard ARB etc. Where else should I put the cash? Roller bearing bushes? Hybrid ARB? Coilovers? Flywheel? LSD? Coilovers? Machined Hubs? Brakes (Which I assume will need wheels)?

What do you guys think, where's my grand best spent?


My 3j plate diff made the biggest difference to my car ...but no good on the road ....clunky / clicky ...£700 ish ...then my 2.4 Quick steering rack from P1 VTS ...£200-£250 for a good one ....then a Satchel Shift Thumbs up


Have the quickshift and been trying to get my hands on a ph1 rack but can't find one. Good shout on the diff I think.
Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 08:18
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as said, an lsd is probly your best bet with enough change for a fibreglass bonnet...

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Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 08:29
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Parts for Sale section ....
Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 09:55
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driving lessons.

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Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 10:02
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50 shot of nitrous just for overtaking should do it....

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Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 11:14
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phillipm wrote:
50 shot of nitrous just for overtaking should do it....


but ive seen the way he drives, hes got a heavy right foot!
Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 12:44
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phillipm wrote:
50 shot of nitrous just for overtaking should do it....


50 dry shot vs. low boost Rotrex SC

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Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 14:01
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V6 it not sure on the handling side of things has mine looks abit nose heavy

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Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 14:26
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IvayloPavlov wrote:
phillipm wrote:
50 shot of nitrous just for overtaking should do it....


50 dry shot vs. low boost Rotrex SC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42bu89hL3c



That did make me laugh Nos !!!!
Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 15:29
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rory77

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welshpug! wrote:
driving lessons.


Im no expert that's for sure.mimcould have easily got past him but would have led to a certain black flag. I don't care how good you can drive when you are only allowed to overtake on straights by consent and he floors it up every straight, you ain't getting past.
Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 21:02
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IvayloPavlov wrote:
Parts for Sale section ....


Yep. I've already apologised for that.
Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 21:03
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I think you'll always struggle on straight line power. Have you tried a different track ?

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Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 21:27
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you aint going to beat a decent cossie straight line speed without spending decent money on engine , like you say no overtaking in corners on trackdays , but if you've got a grand to spend on car decent diff is one off the first thing id look at , and some decent rubber and finish lightening it

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Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 21:32
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rory77

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Twangy wrote:
you aint going to beat a decent cossie straight line speed without spending decent money on engine , like you say no overtaking in corners on trackdays , but if you've got a grand to spend on car decent diff is one off the first thing id look at , and some decent rubber and finish lightening it


Think that's where I'm at. The A048r's are pretty good to be honest so not too worried about the rubber.

I'm thinking Quaife, RichW Flywheel and Roller Bearing Bushes and get the rest of the weight off it. I know the Quaife is a bit love it or hate it but for fit and forget, it's better than nothing. Should I be getting solid mounts, will it make much of a difference?
Posted 28th Jul 2016 at 22:24
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