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| Author | Subject: Locking cams for timing |
 demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro  Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #1
What's the correct position for locking the cams? Haynes says 5 o'clock on inlet and 7 o'clock on exhaust, which makes sense as I can see holes in the head itself, however when I locked the crank pulley I couldn't line them up at all. We did several rotations of the crank to try and line them up but it didn't.Any ideas? ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
 Posted 9th Apr 2014 at 08:44
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,753 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Crank pulley is shot you need a decent pulley to time it all up |
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Posted 9th Apr 2014 at 08:50
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jord294
Seasoned Pro  Location: somewhere in north wales Registered: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,111 Status: Offline |
Post #3
3 options:-1:remove original crank pulley and use 8v xu pulley to get positioning 2:buy an alloy crank pulley off of someone 3:buy a genuine o/e pulley from main dealer (or me) ________________________________________ FRESHLY RE-FURBISHED GTI BEAMSFITTING AND LOWERING AVAILABLE. ALL AXLES BUILT USING GENUINE PEUGEOT PARTS IF I'M NOT HERE, IT ONLY MEANS ONE THING.... I'M SOMEWHERE ELSE! |
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Posted 9th Apr 2014 at 08:59
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Bit more info, we're stripping it down because I (very, very idiotically) shifted in to second instead of fourth during quali and we heard a tapping sound after that so want to check everything over. Could this have cause the crank pulley to slip / break or something?Pulley is a bit rusty but other than that looks intact, same as the one on the spare car. ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 9th Apr 2014 at 09:23
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,842 Status: Offline |
Post #5
You will never know till you put a known good pulley on, i.e a solid or brand new o.e one.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 9th Apr 2014 at 09:57
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #6
I'm just wondering how it could be damaged, it's basically a solid piece of metal? I'll get a solid one bought, just wanted to get more info really in case it happens in future.Any good suppliers of solid ones? ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 9th Apr 2014 at 10:02
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dangti6
aka JKshooter  Location: Taunton, Somerset Registered: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 10,305 Status: Offline |
Post #7
The OE crank pulley has rubber to the centre which can slip.________________________________________  |
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Posted 9th Apr 2014 at 10:19
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #8
That makes sense, thanks Dan.________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 9th Apr 2014 at 10:34
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chiefton
Seasoned Pro  Location: cranleigh Registered: 09 Dec 2012 Posts: 1,195 Status: Offline |
Post #9
Dont get one from ecp tho as the one I got one time had the hole drilled through the pulley in the wrong place!!!  I used the woodruff key when I timed mine up then put tip ex on what was ment to be the correct hole on pulley to see if was ok and was fine but I would highly recommend a solid alloy pulley!!  I have one now brilliant bit of kit no more worries________________________________________ cherry rallye daily (the money pit) |
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Posted 9th Apr 2014 at 11:26
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #10
Already ordered a solid from Pug1Off  ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 9th Apr 2014 at 11:52
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cully
Seasoned Pro  Location: Cullompton Registered: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 1,093 Status: Offline |
Post #11
the std pulleys do slip round on there rubber bonding you can check them as there are alinment marks on the two section of the pulley if is has slipped these marks will not be lined upil go get a picture of the marks cully has attached the following image: |
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Posted 9th Apr 2014 at 13:05
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Thanks Cully, will check that next time I'm with the car________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 9th Apr 2014 at 14:44
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,842 Status: Offline |
Post #13
not all of them have those, I have seen three different variances of XU10J4RS crank pulleys even though there's one number.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 9th Apr 2014 at 20:34
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #14
You don't *need* to use a crank pulley to line the bottom end up - you can do it by the position of the woodruff key itself.  This will save people having to buy new crank pulleys all the time. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 9th Apr 2014 at 23:49
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #15
From what I remember, it was still lined up on the woodruff key but the cams wouldn't line up at all. Not ideal but since we were taking the head off anyway, decided it was not the biggest thing to worry about at the time.When we refit, we'll put the new pulley on the bottom and line it up with the locking point and the same with the cams. ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 10th Apr 2014 at 00:05
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pete-gti
Seasoned Pro  Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
Post #16
If you get flywheel locked off in correct place shouldn't the cam pully holes be lined up then? |
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Posted 10th Apr 2014 at 19:17
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #17
pete-gti wrote: If you get flywheel locked off in correct place shouldn't the cam pully holes be lined up then? Yes, providing the cam timing hasn't jumped during his error... ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 10th Apr 2014 at 20:03
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #18
Think timing might have jumped as we managed to lock the spare car's engine with no problem (despite it being the older style cam pulleys). Head is fine though, as are pistons. 2 of the shells are damaged so we think that's what has broken.________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 11th Apr 2014 at 17:10
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #19
Have you stripped it down completely then?________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 12th Apr 2014 at 07:57
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Yup, only thing left in the block currently is the crank.________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 12th Apr 2014 at 08:03
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pete-gti
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
Post #21
Checked your valves?, |
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Posted 12th Apr 2014 at 17:44
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