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Been thinking how to improve the air feed to the filter, it must suffer massive heat soak still even with the air scoop, can you use enclosed filters with the supercharger setup? What are most supercharger boys using ? I'm not fussed on looks as its mainly track car really, was thinking of using a Renault bonnet scoop small one think of phase can't remember , that would ensure good air feed to filter?
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 pete-gti
Seasoned Pro  Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 8th Jan 2014 at 23:05
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #2
You can use a closed in one yes.  I use the open one that is supplied on mine, I've thought about possible improvements before but then with 450bhp do I really need them? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 08:10
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webster
Seasoned Pro  Location: Colchester Registered: 20 May 2007 Posts: 2,059 Status: Offline |
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stan_306gti6 wrote: You can use a closed in one yes. I use the open one that is supplied on mine, I've thought about possible improvements before but then ________________________________________ cress87 wrote: I'm stopped for speeding on a daily basis but now the police are aware that I live for the 306 they dare not interfere, just sit in their cars quaking as I drive past. |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 08:32
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russbez
Seasoned Pro  Location: Inverness-Shire Registered: 19 Dec 2005 Posts: 7,459 Status: Offline |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 08:38
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro  Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
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webster wrote: stan_306gti6 wrote: You can use a closed in one yes. I use the open one that is supplied on mine, I've thought about possible improvements before but then   ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 09:06
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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@ Webster!________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 09:24
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pete-gti
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
Post #7
Yea enclosed I'm thinking, any think to help it but was thinking of using a scoop or some sort, above the filter, like Jonny b had on he's s16 , nice in suttle not in your face . |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 12:48
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro  Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
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I was going fabricate a box to accept an mg zr panel filter for stillys low boost which was a smaller but similar in design to the big maxi one but alas, he sold the fecking car.  I even had it all drawn up ready to manufacture. ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 13:10
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
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I thinks that's what I'm going to do on my superhighboost the original location of the air filter is good but an enclosed box the same as the btcc cars used must be a good way forward? wonder if there was any pics of the btcc car airbox remember seeing one years ago but thread has been auto deleted.________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 13:24
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Niall
Seasoned Pro  Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #10
Is there any reason why you can't keep the stock air box down behind the rad on the right or is the right hand intercooler pipe in the way? |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 13:35
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aaron6
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Post #11
I can hand draw you a mock up of the design less dimensions if interested? I went for the ZR filter as its size was spot on the fit in where the normal one is. It has a internal baffle to space it from the hot engine and guide air towards the outlet.________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 13:35
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #12
aaron6 wrote: I can hand draw you a mock up of the design less dimensions if interested? I went for the ZR filter as its size was spot on the fit in where the normal one is. It has a internal baffle to space it from the hot engine and guide air towards the outlet. Yes please Tony Heart, dazzle us with your skills  ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 13:40
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
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Niall wrote: Is there any reason why you can't keep the stock air box down behind the rad on the right or is the right hand intercooler pipe in the way? Too much in the way yep, intercooler pipe and sc oil filter. Can all be moved around though if you really want to make something work Id like to come up with some sort of heat resistant enclosure for mine in its current position. Where it is now is best for airflow im sure, thats the key ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 13:42
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Niall
Seasoned Pro Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
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rallyestyle wrote: Niall wrote: Is there any reason why you can't keep the stock air box down behind the rad on the right or is the right hand intercooler pipe in the way? Too much in the way yep, intercooler pipe and sc oil filter. Can all be moved around though if you really want to make something work Id like to come up with some sort of heat resistant enclosure for mine in its current position. Where it is now is best for airflow im sure, thats the key Ah fair enough. Im sticking with the standard setup on mine when the new engine goes in but i don't have any of the stuff you guys do! |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 14:07
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aaron6
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rallyestyle wrote: Im very much aware thats sarcasm but I'll draw it up later. aaron6 wrote: I can hand draw you a mock up of the design less dimensions if interested? I went for the ZR filter as its size was spot on the fit in where the normal one is. It has a internal baffle to space it from the hot engine and guide air towards the outlet. Yes please Tony Heart, dazzle us with your skills ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 15:07
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
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aaron6 wrote: rallyestyle wrote: Im very much aware thats sarcasm but I'll draw it up later. aaron6 wrote: I can hand draw you a mock up of the design less dimensions if interested? I went for the ZR filter as its size was spot on the fit in where the normal one is. It has a internal baffle to space it from the hot engine and guide air towards the outlet. Yes please Tony Heart, dazzle us with your skills Good work :-) I think i spelt Heart wrong anyway so not the best sarcasm in the world im afraid ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 15:51
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6waysforward
Seasoned Pro  Location: Benfleet essex Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,168 Status: Offline |
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I was thinking of putting my bmc cda on mine with a cold air feed from the front, possibly fog light.Not sure if it will suffocate the car being so inclosed but he, its worth a try. ________________________________________ ***Breaking*** Ph3 Silver GTI 6 High Boost |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 17:14
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro  Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
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If you want to use a BMC CDA you could just get one of the larger models, the ACCDA100-220 or something like that. It doesn't give the BHP ratings on the site but there is even one there for muscle cars if your after something for high boost. Not sure on the size/location of it, I bet with the battery relocated you would have plenty of room though________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 17:19
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6waysforward
Seasoned Pro Location: Benfleet essex Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,168 Status: Offline |
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I am only low boost.6waysforward walks away of embarrassment like someone just laughed at his manhood.  ________________________________________ ***Breaking*** Ph3 Silver GTI 6 High Boost |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 17:50
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anth
Seasoned Pro  Location: Colchester Registered: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 3,651 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Your using inter-cooler's is it really going to make much difference? They don't move that much air anyway, Being an SC the charge temps should be lower as well.You might break something if you keep messing around  |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 18:20
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #21
Other way round superchargers still raise intake temps? could give some decent performance gains I think?________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 18:31
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Niall
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anth wrote: Your using inter-cooler's is it really going to make much difference? They don't move that much air anyway, Being an SC the charge temps should be lower as well. You might break something if you keep messing around It doesn't matter if its supercharged or turbo'd. Either way, if your compressing air, it will get hot. The cooler the air is that goes in, the cooler the air is that comes out into the manifold. Yes having a intercooler makes a big difference but again if the air going in is cooler, the air coming out of the intercooler should be cooler and we all know that cooler air is better  |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 18:43
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anth
Seasoned Pro Location: Colchester Registered: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 3,651 Status: Offline |
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Lower than a turbo i mean not N/A |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 18:43
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #24
Anyone thought about nitros jets on the intercooler to lower the temp more |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 18:50
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #25
Me and a mate were toying with the idea of water injection or even water / meth injection. It reduces inlet temps by a stupid amount and massive power gains result if it's mapped for it.________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 9th Jan 2014 at 18:56
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