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 stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #51
dangti6 wrote: 280bhp N/A vs 450bhp charged. Which would be more fun to drive and which would feel faster?  Which one do you think? I can tell you, I've tried both.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
 Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 10:41
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #52
I'd have a 280 NA engine every day of the week. Circuit driving I bet there wouldn't be much in it. I can hang onto 400hp 2wd turbo cars in a straight line around a circuit in my 205. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 10:41
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #53
dangti6 wrote: 280bhp N/A vs 450bhp charged. Which would be more fun to drive and which would feel faster? Faster for one lap or faster for a race? 450bhp through the front wheels will overheat tyres pretty quick. You'd need to be quite controlled with the throttle and set up the car nicely. Ash seems to do ok with it though, although he is running 8 inch wide slicks... you'd have similar issues with 280bhp but not to the same extent. ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 10:44
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #54
205 has 200kg advantage. Can't wait to have a hoon with you Ash________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 10:48
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #55
I'm pretty sure that a 170hp advantage, More than the car came with in the first place, Is going to make the 450 hp one feel faster.Fun wise, On a Track, I dont really know....Surely on track, Speed = fun? So the 450hp one again then. I know which i would want on the road though, Yep the 450hp one. If its a "genuine" rcae car in competition then obviously none of this applies due to as Pete has quite rightly said, You would get owned. But as a track day car/road car, 450hp please. However! If i had lots of $$$$$ I'd most likely built a 2.1 and splash all the cash on a dry sump, bodies, mildish cams and solid lifters and forged bits. ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 10:56
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #56
220 bhp 106, vs 500 + leon, vs 280 bhp astra.http://youtu.be/f-17aytP1e0 none of them are allowed to cut any bodywork to lighten, doors etc are standard panels, no remote res dampers, no slicks, all glass. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 10:57
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dangti6
aka JKshooter  Location: Taunton, Somerset Registered: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 10,305 Status: Offline |
Post #57
pete_rallye wrote: dangti6 wrote: 280bhp N/A vs 450bhp charged. Which would be more fun to drive and which would feel faster? Faster for one lap or faster for a race? Whichever is as fast as I could reel Stan in. ________________________________________  |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 11:01
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #58
Each has there place, IMO N/A for track, boost for road. That's all it is though, an opinion. Stan maybe you could moderate this thread to keep in on topic rather than turning into yet another tiresome argument about 'hi-boost' versus anything and everything. ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 11:12
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #59
I'm going to arrange a forum trackday in October, that'll sort the wheat from the chaff...Well it'll be a normal trackday through whoever but will get it advertised up on here nice and early. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 11:23
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #60
Hasn't Jeffers posted up about doing oulton in Novemberish? Bit of a trek for you mind ash________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 11:30
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #61
I was thinking Cadwell or somewhere so I'm not worried about a trek!________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 11:38
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #62
I would agree there would be a much smaller difference on the track between the two...However, for fast road the NA engine wouldn't be able to produce the same amount of torque in all conditions and therefore would be nowhere near as effective as the boosted alternative. Allenallen - Good idea, let's keep it on the topic from now on then... ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 13:03
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pebbles167
Seasoned Pro  Location: Melksham. Wiltshire. Registered: 08 Dec 2009 Posts: 2,516 Status: Offline |
Post #63
I dont think outright speed is all that makes going on track fun Eliot. I had no less fun in my 6 around combe than I did in my lancer EVO. I would imagine a high revving N/A would be more exiting on track, what with working the engine hard and all. The charged 6 would show it a clean pair of heels in places though. As with welshpug, ive seen what light cars with crazy N/A engines can hold their own against. Oh, and as for road use, I'd sell my soul to have a car like stans ________________________________________ 2005 Peugeot 206 GTI 1802008 BMW K1200R |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 13:13
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro  Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #64
N/A over boost all day long. The maxi is running 305bhp n/a but I bet it would smash a silly boost everywhere and they have 450bhp...________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 13:22
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #65
pebbles167 wrote: As with welshpug, ive seen what light cars with crazy N/A engines can hold their own against. they aren't anywhere near as light as they could be! ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 13:51
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro  Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #66
welshpug! wrote: 220 bhp 106, vs 500 + leon, vs 280 bhp astra. http://youtu.be/f-17aytP1e0 none of them are allowed to cut any bodywork to lighten, doors etc are standard panels, no remote res dampers, no slicks, all glass. 106 is 293 BHP P/T at 750kg, so the others are much heavier. N/A all the way for me, so much harder to make this kind of power in them, anyone can easily fit a boost or add on turbo like all the toe rags seem to do in out area lol. Its not all about power either. G stick could do with being higher up. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 14:20
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #67
Rob Blallards Leon in at video probably weighs about 1150kg with just under 500hp (detuned recently to make it quicker) which is like 430 up per tonne________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 14:10
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #68
I'd bet that the 106 is more than 750 kg, but quite unlikely any of them will tell you...________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 14:27
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #69
Think it's about 825kg________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 14:36
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thomo6
Regular Location: York Registered: 17 Oct 2010 Posts: 104 Status: Offline |
Post #70
Trying to steer this thread back on track.  Pug1off are advising that all we would need to bring the current setup to their stage 3 level is a set of catcams and rolling road session to set up. Has anyone got any first hand experience having fitted Catcam?  |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 15:19
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #71
No cams fit safely with standard pistons. I've got cat cam 109's in my engine and there fine ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 15:28
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #72
atterz wrote: stan_306gti6 wrote: atterz wrote: Why is there a picture of a gimp in Stans avatar anybody? Im confused. It's a pic of my bike with me standing next to it.  F*ck sorry mate!!! My screen is really dark on my laptop.  ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 16:57
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro  Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,640 Status: Offline |
Post #73
rallyeash wrote: I was thinking Cadwell or somewhere so I'm not worried about a trek! Let me know if you do decide to do Cadwell Ash, i'm itching to have a good excuse to book myself on there again. I'll be going to the Oulton park one in November too.  ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 17:09
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #74
Cool cool. Caldwell is awesome and by far the best uk circuit I've been to so far...________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 21:14
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #75
Oulton's good too, probably my favourite, shortly followed by Cadwell... would be nice to get my 306 sorted for Oulton in November, best get my engine sorted!________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 29th Aug 2013 at 21:23
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