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 gb_gti6
Regular  Location: spalding Registered: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 425 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Have ready previous posts, my car is fairly low and I see that longer drop links are better for this as I popped one off. Just wanted to know which ones to go for, which make and model car is best to take them from? Thanks ________________________________________ Team OCD |
 Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 17:55
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
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Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 21:19
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gb_gti6
Regular Location: spalding Registered: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 425 Status: Offline |
Post #3
I am just going from what I read on here, and wondered if people had more info on this!!________________________________________ Team OCD |
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Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 21:42
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Niall
Seasoned Pro  Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Adjustable is what you want for this. Phil on here has done a guide on how to set them up which also gives you a good idea as to why you want them for a lowered car. |
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Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 22:34
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gb_gti6
Regular Location: spalding Registered: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 425 Status: Offline |
Post #5
So can I not just use a pair of longer ones? And where do I find this guide?________________________________________ Team OCD |
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Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 22:44
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Niall
Seasoned Pro Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #6
http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=60931 Ive never seen set length longer ones tbh. |
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Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 22:47
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #7
307 drop links are good for this. Same fitment and a bit longer (around 30mm IIRC).I did about 40k on a pair of these on a lowered 306 and they were still fine when I broke the car. ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 22:50
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gb_gti6
Regular Location: spalding Registered: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 425 Status: Offline |
Post #8
Thanks, will have to have a look. Will be cheaper than adjustable ones I take it?________________________________________ Team OCD |
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Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 22:56
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gb_gti6
Regular Location: spalding Registered: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 425 Status: Offline |
Post #9
Were the 307 ones you had metal?________________________________________ Team OCD |
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Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 22:59
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #10
I think I paid £40 for a pair of TRW ones from ECP, but this would have been about 3 years ago.________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 23:00
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #11
gb_gti6 wrote: Were the 307 ones you had metal? Yep. ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 23:04
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gb_gti6
Regular Location: spalding Registered: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 425 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Yeah just looked at those, only about £25 but metal or plastic better?________________________________________ Team OCD |
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Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 23:07
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Niall
Seasoned Pro Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #13
gb_gti6 wrote: Yeah just looked at those, only about £25 but metal or plastic better? There is pros and cons to both. Personally i used to use plastic ones before i got adjustable as i bent a metal one before where as the plastic ones have more give in them before they break. |
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Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 23:09
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,866 Status: Offline |
Post #14
Why?________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 23:21
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Niall
Seasoned Pro Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #15
welshpug! wrote: Why? Why what? Why longer drop links? Because the distance between the shock tab and ARB resting position gets longer the lower the car is. Use a standard drop link and its constantly fighting against the resistance the ARB bushes give hence quicker wear in the drop link joints. |
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Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 23:49
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro  Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #16
Would it be the same for a 205 by any chance?________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 15th Aug 2013 at 23:51
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
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I have to ask this question because there is one part of the whole discussion I don't get, the arb pivots from the same point regardless of how low the car is, so why if the car has been lowered by the same amount on both side do you need longer drop links?? *disclaimer* I have had a few beers so if I've missed something I apologise in advance!________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!!  |
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Posted 16th Aug 2013 at 00:34
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #18
jeffers wrote: I have to ask this question because there is one part of the whole discussion I don't get, the arb pivots from the same point regardless of how low the car is, so why if the car has been lowered by the same amount on both side do you need longer drop links?? *disclaimer* I have had a few beers so if I've missed something I apologise in advance! Read 2 posts above yours. ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 16th Aug 2013 at 00:37
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #19
welshpug! wrote: Why? Why are you asking why? ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 16th Aug 2013 at 00:39
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Because the length changes which changes the angle the joint goes through, leading to excessive wear and/or complete failure.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 16th Aug 2013 at 00:39
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #21
Yes, the cars chassis distance to the tab has a longer distance hence a longer drop link needed, short OE ones will over wear or break. Car is lower so end of ARB goes lower down hence longer links needed to keep the ARB in its OE position else drop links wear out more being too short due to the lowering.Hope this clears it up. Would such parts as Bilstein shocks etc accommodate this difference, ie lower tab welded in ? ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 16th Aug 2013 at 00:57
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #22
beez_neez_gt wrote: Car is lower so end of ARB goes lower down hence longer links needed No it doesn't, it lifts the arb up. Whatever floats your boat anyway, I'd say an adjustable drop link would be more beneficial to dial any preload out, the benefits of that are somewhat debatable on a road car though. ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 16th Aug 2013 at 06:18
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
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allanallen wrote: beez_neez_gt wrote: Car is lower so end of ARB goes lower down hence longer links needed No it doesn't, it lifts the arb up. Whatever floats your boat anyway, I'd say an adjustable drop link would be more beneficial to dial any preload out, the benefits of that are somewhat debatable on a road car though. Allen is making more sense than anyone else on this, the anti roll bar when disconnected on both sides just pivots so i fail to see why different length drop links are needed? As i previously stated if both sides are lowered the same amount why do you need different length drop links?? The anti roll bar will still end up the same when connected as it would when the car is at standard height so i just dont see it!??! Ie when its lower the relative distance to the tabs will be the same as they where because the ARB pivots! So when you connect one side the relative distance to the tab will be the same on the other side as it always was!  ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
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Posted 16th Aug 2013 at 07:31
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Niall
Seasoned Pro Location: Epsom Registered: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,941 Status: Offline |
Post #24
jeffers wrote: allanallen wrote: beez_neez_gt wrote: Car is lower so end of ARB goes lower down hence longer links needed No it doesn't, it lifts the arb up. Whatever floats your boat anyway, I'd say an adjustable drop link would be more beneficial to dial any preload out, the benefits of that are somewhat debatable on a road car though. Allen is making more sense than anyone else on this, the anti roll bar when disconnected on both sides just pivots so i fail to see why different length drop links are needed? As i previously stated if both sides are lowered the same amount why do you need different length drop links?? The anti roll bar will still end up the same when connected as it would when the car is at standard height so i just dont see it!??! Ie when its lower the relative distance to the tabs will be the same as they where because the ARB pivots! So when you connect one side the relative distance to the tab will be the same on the other side as it always was! No it doesnt. The arb sits naturally at almost horizontal when nothing is attached to it because there are notches in the arb bushes that hold it here. The tab on the shock will stay at the same height from ground regardless of how low the car is but the arb will get closer to the ground the lower the car goes therefore creating a longer distance in between the shock and arb. When you fit standard drop links, they will try to pull the arb upwards but obviously this is going to put more strain on the DL bushes. |
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Posted 16th Aug 2013 at 07:46
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,866 Status: Offline |
Post #25
Err nope, arb bushes are round inside.Unless you alter the travel extremes the droplink is still operating within its designed window, so theres no need to change them. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 16th Aug 2013 at 08:10
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