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jamiek_uk2000

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welshpug! wrote:

but that's the whole reason you buy a pug FFS!! LOL

not fear, but knowledge that it will!

I have to drive my 306 with a certain level of fear that at any point, it may do something totally unexpected in the corner. Hopefully all this suspension work I'm doing is taking that away

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Posted 8th Jun 2013 at 23:06

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I'm with Mei. If I put solid mounts on I might has well just gone and bought a Golf.

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welshpug! wrote:

but that's the whole reason you buy a pug FFS!! LOL

not fear, but knowledge that it will!

Possibly, but if you can improve it and make it into a sweeter more predictable handling car then surely that's better...

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Posted 9th Jun 2013 at 08:32

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how do you know? all you do is look at it.

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Posted 9th Jun 2013 at 10:22

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welshpug! wrote:

how do you know? all you do is look at it.

Before I took it off the road at the end of 2011, it was being used throughout the summer months of every year. It has been/will be used this summer too.

Yes, I'll be retiring it at the end of this year but until then it does get used. Yes

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Posted 9th Jun 2013 at 12:53

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jamiek_uk2000 wrote:

welshpug! wrote:

but that's the whole reason you buy a pug FFS!! LOL

not fear, but knowledge that it will!

I have to drive my 306 with a certain level of fear that at any point, it may do something totally unexpected in the corner. Hopefully all this suspension work I'm doing is taking that away

If all is in good shape even with passive rear mounts on it should be predictable. It'll only go pair shaped due to the driver provoking it or being rough. I love my rubber mounts. It makes the car what they are. Smile

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Posted 9th Jun 2013 at 18:47

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I would like to have a go of a car with just refreshed rubber, mounts all round to see what the 6 handled like the day it came out of the factory. I've gone solid every time since my cars aren't every day vehicles, I have my van with I'm in 90% of the time anyway, so noise and comfort went clean out the window a while ago. That's why I've got 415lb springs on the front now, with a 30mm ARB en route Hyper

(That's what it will be like when I drive it)

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Posted 9th Jun 2013 at 21:12

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I've gone solid every time

Sorry, but this made me LOL

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Posted 9th Jun 2013 at 21:18

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stan_306gti6 wrote:

jamiek_uk2000 wrote:

I've gone solid every time

Sorry, but this made me LOL

I really need to check what I say before I press post...

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Posted 9th Jun 2013 at 21:22

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You do.

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Posted 9th Jun 2013 at 21:36

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I like both setups for different reasons. After I first fitted solid mounts some years ago now I loved the more predictable handling and sure footed feeling at the back.

However my Diablo 6 when I had it and my HDi both have fairly tired rubber beam mounts. I find the turn in if done properly is better with the rubber ones as you feel the rear coming round slightly reducing understeers an almost feeling like it grabs the car into the corner better.

If pushed to far however particularly in the wet it can bite you in the arse as I've found out several times but its hilariously fun when your expecting it!

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Post #38

What armz said with the addition od the fact that the rubber mounts are quite correctable if you stay ontop of them.

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Posted 10th Jun 2013 at 07:03

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What armz said with the addition od the fact that the rubber mounts are quite correctable if you stay ontop of them.

On the road, I'd quite agree. However for track use, they're not a patch on the performance that solids can give you.

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Posted 10th Jun 2013 at 08:10

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solid means you can take roundabouts 45mph faster

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Posted 10th Jun 2013 at 09:19

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stan_306gti6 wrote:

aaron6 wrote:

What armz said with the addition od the fact that the rubber mounts are quite correctable if you stay ontop of them.

On the road, I'd quite agree. However for track use, they're not a patch on the performance that solids can give you.

I wont disagree as ive only ever done prescott. The passives do allow a nice hard turn in tight corners though. Not great for long sweeping bends as they can become twitchy if your not going fast enough. For my personal tastes, they are very good. As indeed are the solid mounts. Just depends on your driving style and preferences. Smile

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Posted 10th Jun 2013 at 10:09

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I do wonder where all the stress the rubber absorbs goes though. I cant see them not prematurely killing the beam bearings a little as they have to be under more load and shocks than on rubbers and they aint exactly beefy bearings.

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Posted 10th Jun 2013 at 10:11

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Post #43

Quite correctable with counter steering most of the time yes however when the mounts start to get f**ked after 130k they tend to be a little less unpredictable LOL

particularly in the wet.

Went to test the new Avons out round a particularly sloppy roundabout with the girlfriend in the diesel a few months ago.... They let go as I went in deliberately much to fast and as it under steered I let off and the rear came round with a mighty wack lol. s**tted her up a goodun Big grin

just about held it lol. Didn't help having nearly Balt good years on the rear that were useless in the wet from the day they were new .

Good fun though Big grin

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Posted 10th Jun 2013 at 10:33

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I have them in my 205 and for the first few weeks it was quite firm with rattles galore with B6 shocks but now its all settled in the rear end doesnt rattle as much as it used to. It feels far more controllable than when I had oe mounts fitted.

I even have a 309 front arb and it doesnt feel any more under steering than before the car was sorted, had same sort of engine as is now ie iron block type. Cant wait till I get a 24 mm arb to eliminate more understeer. Although I do have 1degree negative camber all round.

I would have solid ones in the 6 but my concentration in on the 205 at the mo.

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I'm pretty sure solids are way more correctable though Aaron?

As far as the whole solids for a road car comments go, I honestly am the most sensitive to stuff like exhaust noise and harsh damping/ride etc etc.
IMO the only difference in harshness etc between solids and rubber is that the solids don't cancel out some of the high frequency noise when your going 60mph+

But as said, This doesnt bother me (Mister picky) so i'm sure it wont bother everyone else

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Posted 10th Jun 2013 at 11:18

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Dunno Elliot. Ive had both and as yet have not had a problem correcting. Its all dependent on how you react though. Gentle corrections make a big difference with rubbers but as said. Ive not yet had a problem. .. touch wood.

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Posted 10th Jun 2013 at 13:08

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Your not going fast enough in the wet then Aaron Thumbs up

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Posted 10th Jun 2013 at 13:24

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Good tires pete... Wink

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Posted 10th Jun 2013 at 13:28

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I know I fitted them haha. Still gotta find the limit sooner or later though

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my input

if planning on stiffening the front end of a 306, then i'd use solid mounts, to give rigidity for the rear aswell.

IF i ever had another 306, i would just replace all the rubber bushes and mounts back and front with genuine parts, and i'd keep the standard ride height aswell

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