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Post #226
had to drill my holes out and 2 split very easy so ill have to use some washers, but tightening them up is gonna end up breaking the weave

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Posted 3rd Jul 2013 at 23:47
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Post #227
and wear over time will defo be an issue!

how about telling them to put just a few extra pieces of carbon over those holes!
I don't know how hard it'll be to position some small pieces over just those bits but there defiantly needs to be some more reinforcement over the mounting holes!

EDIT:

i'm going to take a stab and say these are infusion formed?
and that the holes in the mold are indeed flat?

so to get the carbon flat not rounded or torn up as it stretches shouldn't the carbon be pushed into the holes as the Air is gradually drained out to allow extra carbon to take the correct shape?

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Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 00:25
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Post #228
Ok Gnrlee I will speak to hi tonight and ask for him to put another layer of carbon round the holes. sorry that there is problems with these.

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Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 09:31
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Post #229
all it is if if you compare the holes against:

streamline's ones - photo

the holes for mounting it are properly dished and flat so a bolt will take up against it, but these ones from FibreWorx are just plain bowl dished so you have to drill your own hole, and then it's not got a flat surface to tighten up against. i'm not even sure him putting a layer behind it would solve anything Unsure

even drilling it yourself is splitting the weave extremely easy. tbh i would go as far as saying i think it'll break apart if you tighten it how it should be Sad i've put my old one back on and have this one sat on the roof of the car!

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Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 09:40
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Post #230
What would a you suggest then Ricky because quite frankly I'm a but embarrassed by this?

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Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 09:40
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Post #231
ross it isn't your fault and everyone knows that so don't be embarrassed, it's good of you to have sorted the group buy out, i just think they should have thought about the mounting of it and even sending it out with no holes in is just asking for trouble.. i don't know how anyone is going to drill them without smashing the carbon up as CF at this thickness is going to just break up as soon as you take any drill near it. even if we sent them all back, they'd have to (ideally) remove the dished bowl mounting bits they've made and put completely new ones in like standard cos it's not going to mount any other way - and i don't think they can 'add' that to existing bits Unsure i've never laid or made carbon so not sure, but i imagine it to be too hard

my thoughts = it's as if they've just brushed the carbon over the hole rather than 'push it in' - see gnrlee's photo. although i'm sure you know the issue

someone on the previous page said they'll be ok and normally i'll just bodge stuff or get on with it, but i've drilled small holes in it to mount it but the carbon splits easily and i think personally it'll vibrate and break loose after a bit

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Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 09:49
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Post #232
Well I am going to speak to him and give him the thread so he can have a read of what's saying. this isn't right and needs to be sorted as Millo said its supposed to be a good quality product at a good price because of a group buy.

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Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 09:53
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Post #233
tbh if he just looks at the link to the Streamline one above he can see what they should be like for mounting really, eg flat surface for a bolt to go against and tighten up (post 230)

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Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 10:13
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Post #234
I have just messages him and await a reply in sure that he will come up with something. As i say can only apologise didn't expect this!

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Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 10:20
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Post #235
Ask for his address too please Ross Smile

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  • Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 10:26
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    Post #236
    rikky wrote:

    my thoughts = it's as if they've just brushed the carbon over the hole rather than 'push it in' - see gnrlee's photo. although i'm sure you know the issue



    Sounds like this is exactly what has been done. The carbon weave needs to be pushed into every little corner of the mould prior to bagging, you can't expect the vacuum to pull it in for you.

    Can't blame you, Ross, but if the quality isn't up to scratch is there any chance of a refund?

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    Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 11:11
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    Post #237
    The moulds are being redone now. He apologised prefusley I am prepared to give him the chance to rectify this as this is what he is prepared to do. If we are still unhappy I will organise a refund. Unlike another company he is trying his best to rectify his error. If anyone has any issues queries give me a bit I will empty my private messages and then send them there ? Thanks

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    Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 11:46
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    Post #238
    clen666 wrote:
    rikky wrote:

    my thoughts = it's as if they've just brushed the carbon over the hole rather than 'push it in' - see gnrlee's photo. although i'm sure you know the issue



    Sounds like this is exactly what has been done. The carbon weave needs to be pushed into every little corner of the mould prior to bagging, you can't expect the vacuum to pull it in for you.

    Can't blame you, Ross, but if the quality isn't up to scratch is there any chance of a refund?


    Kinda,..
    having more time to think about it, the mould will be a relief of the carbon cover
    so what we see as holes would be raised out as convex domes in the mold
    so before the mould was made the cover will have been re worked to have been smoothed had those circular rings ground off and the flat holes will have had plasticine etc pushed into them to remove any sharp edges which would undoubtedly stretch and tear the carbon,.

    the price is pushed down because they've restricted it to one piece of carbon weave,..
    really there needs to be 2 pieces or even 3
    the carbon would need to be manipulated into shape as the bag shrinks,..

    but even then this shape may just be too harsh for infusion
    and would need to be wet layed which uses more epoxy but puts the cloth under less stress!

    this is just from the little i know of working with carbon and watching tutorials on it mind,..


    for FiberWorx purposes

    this is the one that needs to be achieved,..
    note the brass ring obviously put in there for extra strength which gives an indication to how strong that part needs to be!


    where the the cover buts up to


    and what we have if it's not clear to others,..



    superchargedblack1997gti6 wrote:
    The moulds are being redone now. He apologised prefusley I am prepared to give him the chance to rectify this as this is what he is prepared to do. If we are still unhappy I will organise a refund. Unlike another company he is trying his best to rectify his error. If anyone has any issues queries give me a bit I will empty my private messages and then send them there ? Thanks


    I'm more than happy with that!
    these are the 1st run so kinda expected it! Smile
    no biggie!

    Great work Ross! Thumbs up
    ohh what does he want me and Rikky to do with ours?

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    Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 12:05
    dangti6

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    Post #239
    My cover was used to make the mould and other than painted was in a retunable state apparently. So perhaps he developed the mould afterwards to get the holes.

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  • Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 11:58
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    Post #240
    the cover dan supplied was probably a timing belt cover

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    Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 12:01
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    Nope was a cover story Smile

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  • Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 12:06
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    Post #242
    rikky wrote:
    the cover dan supplied was probably a timing belt cover


    arh,.. that explains it then! LOL

    yeah those rings around the screw fixtures will have been moded in the mould.,, and i'd say defo plasticine will have been pushed into you're holes moulded then removed Thumbs up

    How did that feel by the way? Whistle

    dangti6 wrote:
    Nope was a cover story Smile

    Hmm Cover up? LOL

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    Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 12:11
    superchargedblack1997gti6

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    Post #243
    He is sorting this Guys he is very sorry and he is going to make replacements for Gnrlee and Ricky. this is why I wanted to use him rather than another company. sorry for the inconvenience but at least he is genuinely making an effort to correct this?

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    Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 12:17
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    Post #244
    Didn't realise they are only one sheet thick! Unsure

    Was this mentioned earlier in the thread?

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    Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 12:22
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    Post #245
    clen666 wrote:
    Didn't realise they are only one sheet thick! Unsure

    Was this mentioned earlier in the thread?


    it appears to be one sheet,..
    you cant see through it so maybe another sheeting has been used in conjunction?

    don't get me wrong Carbon is very strong and one sheet would have probably been fine for most of it!
    it just needs some refinement at the mounting points! Smile

    wish I'd have had a vid of me wrenching the 1 sheet of carbon wrapped wing mirror covers I had to remove for re working that would have shown how strong carbon can be!
    and infusion Carbon is even stronger!

    well they've said there going to make stronger ones! we'll see how they turn out!
    so don't panic anyone!

    LOL

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    Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 12:32
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    Post #246
    If he is willing to put in the time and effort to refine the product into something that is of a satisfactory level of quality then I'm willing to give him the time to do so.

    I appreciate that there can be teething problems with something such as this.

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    Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 13:23
    superchargedblack1997gti6

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    Post #247
    Hi it is three sheets thick the next ones will be strengthened at mounting points. As you say teething problems are going to happen. The guy is genuinely sorry for the problems.

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    Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 13:26
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    Post #248
    Did you ask him for his address for this tailgate Ross? Smile

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  • Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 13:29
    superchargedblack1997gti6

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    Yes Dan will Pm you later on.

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    Posted 4th Jul 2013 at 13:34
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    Post #250
    if he gets it right then undoubtedly there'll be more people who want them and they can pay a normal (non group buy) price for them, so if he's rectifying the mould it's good for everyone really

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