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 daver6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 14th Apr 2013 at 18:24
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro  Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #27
I did afterwards, less hassle, easy life, lasts forever  Although if it isn't very clean, it would still have the same sort of problems, grease and dust are a painter's worse enemy. Rust converters just place a barrier it dont stop or seal the rust in fully, so air and moisture will get in and start rusting under it again like i found. mild rust needs to be suffocated  In cavities i use the Bilt Hamber wax mentioned before, it seals the rust away from the air and water which is the main cause of rust. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 15th Apr 2013 at 02:14
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mik
Seasoned Pro  Location: Kent Registered: 17 Feb 2011 Posts: 2,100 Status: Offline |
Post #28
+1 for Bilt Hamber S50 cavity wax. That's what I am using. Electrox recently dried can be scraped off easily - gets harder after a few days. Access point for cavity waxing inside sills include lifting carpet in footwell, remove plastic bung and you can get into the front half of the sill with a 60cm wand (provided by B-H when you buy a can of S50). To access the rear remove the white plastic clip closest to the B-pillar and use the hole for the wand. The rivet holes will let a wand in after removing the side skirt ally rivets. The bottom seam of the sill is not sealed - I sprayed some Dinitrol rust converter stuff in there and a lot of it came out the bottom seam. Seams rust a lot faster as the layers retain moisture a lot longer. I think it is 3 layers of metal spot welded, so the bits between the welds will let water out/in (until a thick layer of cavity wax goes in there anyway). ________________________________________ Cherry Rallye SOLD |
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Posted 15th Apr 2013 at 21:39
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #29
Tell you something, forming the outer sill with a block of wood and a mallet as the only tools to hand was a b**ch, given it curves in two directions so you need to stretch the metal ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 16th Apr 2013 at 00:20
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro  Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #30
The panel that has gone is shown in my project thread Here________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 16th Apr 2013 at 00:22
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #31
Oh dear. The centre sill has gone too at the very least.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 16th Apr 2013 at 00:26
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #32
Yeah, I've but out what was bad and the centre piece has gone but the back is fine. My mate has looked at it and thinks he can easily sort it out, I took your advice and got a welder not a mechanic who thinks he can weld to do it. Took some persuasion though, most welders hate working on cars________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 16th Apr 2013 at 00:28
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #33
I chopped mine that far back the floorpan fell down ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 16th Apr 2013 at 00:32
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #34
I haven't gone that far yet, although I may have to cut more. All because some dick jacked the car up in the wrong place, the other arch is solid, had a little magic eye camera in the cavity and it's solid. I could get a JVC handicam in the hole I've cut on this side now ________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 16th Apr 2013 at 16:23
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #35
Yeah, my other side is good, I'm suspecting jacking damage at some point as a few of the spot welds had opened up and the bottom of the sill wasn't sealed.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 16th Apr 2013 at 16:29
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mik
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 17 Feb 2011 Posts: 2,100 Status: Offline |
Post #36
Yes, agree with jacking damage, that's what it looks like with mine, a localised rust patch in the immediate area of impact damage, and not present on the other side. ________________________________________ Cherry Rallye SOLD |
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Posted 17th Apr 2013 at 00:19
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #37
Looks very good, I cut the rust out and didn't realise that there is sound deadening in the panel, this caught fire and I didn't notice until my neighbour pointed out my there was a lot of smoke coming from my car. There was suprisingly little rust on the actual chassis/jack point. I gave it a good once over with the wire brush and I'm back to steel with only removing about 400x100mm. The sill itself had to be cut so going to weld a nice thick piece of 3mm steel to be a new jacking point and getting something similar on the other side so I've not nice solid jack points ________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 20th Apr 2013 at 23:14
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #38
Yeah, I've wrapped the outer sill skin back up the inside of the other plates and welded it on the backside, no chance of it splitting and letting water in now.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 20th Apr 2013 at 23:16
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #39
That sounds like a better idea, I'm not doing the welding. I can solder, but not weld. I'm thinking about learning and then thought "If I do learn, it's another thing I can do, but not just very well. Certainly not well enough to work on my car" So I'm working the weekend and paying someone to weld it for me, makes much more sense________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 20th Apr 2013 at 23:28
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #40
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Posted 20th Apr 2013 at 23:29
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Kale
Newbie  Location: HML, Finland Registered: 17 Apr 2013 Posts: 39 Status: Offline |
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How much salt do they pour on the roads around there? How on earth can you get Peugeots to this kind of condition (went through a couple of threads with rust pictures)?  Even if I take one of the very first, most beaten up entry level models from 1993 and take a look at the underside of the car, it won't look anything like what I've seen here. With cars that are likely to be taken a little care of, there is no concern about rust. On my S16 there is no concern at all because it has never seen winter. I'm shocked They do use salt here, to keep the big roads open. But not that much. Better example: My 405 Mi16 from year 1989 has 270k miles on the clock atm, it has been driven during winter before I got it (a year ago) and the only rust on the body is INSIDE the boot and it is only on the surface. And it's not like I haven't tried to find some. ________________________________________ 306 S16 "Peugeot Sport GrpN" '94, 405 Mi16 "OEM+" '89, 605 SV24 "Executive Express" '91 |
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Posted 21st Apr 2013 at 14:39
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #42
Sea air, loads of road salt, permanent wet weather...________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 21st Apr 2013 at 15:00
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #43
They salt all the roads, every winter. I assume that in Finland it isn't worth salting the roads most the time since there is just far too much snow when there is cold weather. We get just cold s**tty weather that makes lovely black ice everywhere if the roads aren't salted. Don't mock us with your lack of rusty cars, my favourite work is cutting rusty panels out only to find out what is underneath. It's like Christmas for me now... ________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 21st Apr 2013 at 15:08
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Kale
Newbie Location: HML, Finland Registered: 17 Apr 2013 Posts: 39 Status: Offline |
Post #44
Yeah, but black ice is nothing when you get the right tyres. You should try sometimes to come in coldest Finland and try the tyres we use. Studded or normal style tyres with soft lamells, there is no way to cope with normal summer tyres. Tho' I don't even own winter tyres to my S16 It sits in the carage for the winter so my dailydriver '08 Audi 1.8TFSI can eat that salt..Also starting to understand how much S16s and GTI-6s you have around there. Think about this, we have 8x 306 S16 in Finland originally. Few cars have been imported here afterwards from Germany and Sweden. I own two of those original S16 engines. 306 XSi total number is somewhere around 100 cars. GTi-6 somewhere between those two  Ok, quite offtopic already. Just saying that the amount of spare parts around where you most guys live is unbelievable..________________________________________ 306 S16 "Peugeot Sport GrpN" '94, 405 Mi16 "OEM+" '89, 605 SV24 "Executive Express" '91 |
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Posted 21st Apr 2013 at 17:32
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mik
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 17 Feb 2011 Posts: 2,100 Status: Offline |
Post #45
phillipm wrote: Sea air, loads of road salt, permanent wet weather... ...cars parked outside their whole lives... ________________________________________ Cherry Rallye SOLD |
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Posted 21st Apr 2013 at 17:55
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #46
British owners not using winter tyres so using salt is a must for them not to crash ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 21st Apr 2013 at 18:07
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #47
Mechanics using sills etc incorrectly when jacking cars up.________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 21st Apr 2013 at 18:17
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #48
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Posted 21st Apr 2013 at 19:22
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #49
It's a bit of both there. Using winter tyres over here won't make much of difference on black ice since they aren't spiked like the are in Finland. Those are snow tyres which are another thing all together. Also by the sound of it, there are so few there that the people that own them love them, not like over here where they seemed to be owned by many when they first came out and then filtered through. My cars have 5 previous owners and some on here have had 10+ so god knows who owned them.________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 21st Apr 2013 at 21:27
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mik
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 17 Feb 2011 Posts: 2,100 Status: Offline |
Post #50
beez_neez_gt wrote: Mechanics using sills etc incorrectly when jacking cars up. Yes, I'm pretty sure this is what happened to my OS front sill. I also had to replace the cross members behind the front wheels and hammer the floor back down for the same reason. Now the carpet fits correctly as the floor is straight! ________________________________________ Cherry Rallye SOLD |
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Posted 27th Apr 2013 at 08:25
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