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 JWP EFi
Turbo Legend!  Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #26
lol, i remember buying one of those 'remap box' things for s**ts and giggles. i opened the little plasticbox to find a resistor that basically altered the signal from the coolant temp sensor, the Saxo vtr in question ran like s**t. it only cost 99p |
 Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:32
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro  Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #27
My mate asked me to fit something like that for him before. He left the car with me, I did nothing to the car and he picked it up and said he could feel the difference. The placebo effect coming right into play!________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:36
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #28
T99PUG wrote: because there are no off the shelf turbo conversions whereas we all know you can get a supercharger package with everything you'll need, plus its been tried, tested and proven, and you can retain oe ecu, exhaust manifold, clutch etc etc. Best ready to go turbo setup is a T16 but you won't find one and even if you do it will cost more than a basic rotrex package plus it will no doubt need a rebuild, new turbo etc. Your gaps in your sentences make them a right pain in the c**t to read. -1 ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:44
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #29
daveyboy wrote: T99PUG wrote: because there are no off the shelf turbo conversions whereas we all know you can get a supercharger package with everything you'll need, plus its been tried, tested and proven, and you can retain oe ecu, exhaust manifold, clutch etc etc. Best ready to go turbo setup is a T16 but you won't find one and even if you do it will cost more than a basic rotrex package plus it will no doubt need a rebuild, new turbo etc. Your gaps in your sentences make them a right pain in the c**t to read. -1 I too have been thinking this for a while.   ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:45
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #30
your a fussy bunch, it wasn't so long ago i was asked to space sentances to make them easier to read |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 23:10
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dangti6
aka JKshooter  Location: Taunton, Somerset Registered: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 10,305 Status: Offline |
Post #31
As in paragraphs no doubt.Randomly seperating a sentence is not the correct way to do it. ________________________________________  |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 23:13
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #32
coskev wrote: That's one of the disapointing things about the rotrex sc 6's, there is no sound from the charger  You get abit of a whoosh from the exhaust from the forced induction, but I was hoping the chargers would sound like mini coopers etc  Errrr are you sure you've been in a 6 with a charger not an ebay electric supercharger cone? lol My 6 has a stupidly loud exhaust on and you can still hear the charger whistling over the top of it. It doesnt whine like a screw type charger but it sounds the same as a turbo... as its built the same as a turbo but with a pulley instead of an impeller. ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 00:39
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24seven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Derby Registered: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 6,221 Status: Offline |
Post #33
I think that whining sound is what he means as the characteristic supercharger sound. ________________________________________ Ph1 306 GTi 6 | RX8 231 S1 | YBR 125 Cafe Racer | MT-03 660 |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 01:10
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owain
Seasoned Pro  Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #34
Not as good as that characteristic turbo sound________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 01:57
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chrisd306
Seasoned Pro  Location: Perth Scotland Registered: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 10,061 Status: Offline |
Post #35
My mates rotrex powered 106 sounded mental because it has a slightly bent fin on the charger still ran ok but sounded awesome!! I'd prefer a Gti16v 205 over my charged rallye like! ________________________________________ In my garage just now2003 BMW M3 & 2009 L200 Raging Bull & Audi Q5 S Line AX stock rod & Saxo Stock rod Sold the bike an charged rallye an bought a caravan, midlife crisis or what! |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 05:23
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marco gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Troisvierges Registered: 09 Mar 2009 Posts: 1,350 Status: Offline |
Post #36
As i am getting my 6 sc'd at the moment i must say that the fact that the sc conversion has been done before, tested and proven to be reliable was the main reason for me to go that route. On the other hand turbocharged hot hatches are not as rare as sc'd ones. My brother just bought a Mk1 Focus RS, and of course those things just sound sweet and mental. But i am so excited to see how it compares to my 6 once run in. Also ALL of my mates who are into modified / performance cars go down the turbo route. Guess i allays liked to be different in some way However you would not believe how much turbo failures i have seen over the last 5 years since we got our workspace where we work on our cars. Quick one to the sc'd boys concerning the sound of sc'd 6s. I foundthis video of a Rotrex low boost (restricted) Honda S2000 on youtube. http://youtu.be/Xg7v-SWZ_B0 None of the carged 6's i found on youtube sound like that. Or do the elite super-f**king-mega-uber-highboost owners have a same setup?  Sounds sweet thou |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 07:02
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manthos
Seasoned Pro  Location: Norwich Registered: 29 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,966 Status: Offline |
Post #37
This is something constantly on my mind at the minute as I would love to turbo the 6 as you cant beat the sound of a chatter wastegate (however stan has one on his charger) but im also worried about that it will be incredibly unreliable and very high maintenance. S/c has been tried tested and reliable. However with n/a you have so much grunt all the time whenever you want it in any gear at any time. Its sooooo hard to choose!!!! ________________________________________ Team SUPERCHARGED I LIVE FOR THE 306 Old Project thread Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url = |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 08:47
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #38
I must admit, with the Super High Boost you really do have the best of the bunch IMO. You have the chatter of a dump valve as Seb said, plus increased torque and top end power. I know I'm biased, but I really do think it's the best all-rounder. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 09:25
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RetroPug
Seasoned Pro  Location: Leicestershire Registered: 15 Jan 2013 Posts: 2,473 Status: Offline |
Post #39
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/F1-Z-Double-Supercharger-Turbine-Turbo-charger-Air-Intake-Fuel-Saver-Fan-beq-/360600191039?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item53f572403f Everyone who spent thousands of pounds on a supercharger or turbocharger got done, you can spend £8.99 and get a double supercharger turbine turbocharger fuel saver air intake fan. "This mounting will help to improve the low speed car torque， enhance the air flow. Facilitate the gasoline engine room more fully burning， throttle feel more light more flexible. Still can rise to fuel-efficient role" Can't argue with that logic. manthos wrote: S/c has been tried tested and reliable. However with n/a you have so much grunt all the time whenever you want it in any gear at any time. Its sooooo hard to choose!!!! You do with a supercharger as well. The whole point of a supercharger is that torque delivery is linear as the rotational speed of the supercharger rises linearly with engine speed. ________________________________________ 61k miles Ph.1 Diablo '6 Project Thread |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 09:54
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marco gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Troisvierges Registered: 09 Mar 2009 Posts: 1,350 Status: Offline |
Post #40
stan_306gti6 wrote: I must admit, with the Super High Boost you really do have the best of the bunch IMO. You have the chatter of a dump valve as Seb said, plus increased torque and top end power. I know I'm biased, but I really do think it's the best all-rounder. But tell me stan is the sound similar to the video of the s2000 i posted ? |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 10:01
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #41
Yes, it sounds exactly like that. The charger in that video is a C38-81, the same charger as what's on mine.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 10:08
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marco gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Troisvierges Registered: 09 Mar 2009 Posts: 1,350 Status: Offline |
Post #42
would love that sound on the lowboost  |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 10:12
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #43
marco gti6 wrote: would love that sound on the lowboost You won't get it unfortunately, as the charger system is drawing through the throttle body first before being compressed, therefore there is no need for a dump valve. Secondly, you're not flowing anywhere near as much air as the charger is much smaller and also has a restrictor ring in place. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 10:23
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manthos
Seasoned Pro Location: Norwich Registered: 29 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,966 Status: Offline |
Post #44
Retropug I know s/c has a linear power curve but it just doesn't feel the like it delivers the grunt the same as a new n/a engine of the same spec. Might just be me but the n/a just feels more solid and meaty low down.________________________________________ Team SUPERCHARGED I LIVE FOR THE 306 Old Project thread Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url = |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 10:57
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manthos
Seasoned Pro Location: Norwich Registered: 29 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,966 Status: Offline |
Post #45
@Stan yes you get the best of both having linear power and a chatter waste gate but you have too much power for fwd you just can't use it the way I like to drive  like you said yourself yours was better all round when it was max 300bhp. Great in a straight line but I like to murder the corners. ________________________________________ Team SUPERCHARGED I LIVE FOR THE 306 Old Project thread Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url = |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 11:00
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #46
stan_306gti6 wrote: Yes, it sounds exactly like that. You sure that's not just the whine of the rusty discs against the pads as you roll it forwards then back again? ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 11:23
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #47
owain wrote: stan_306gti6 wrote: Yes, it sounds exactly like that. You sure that's not just the whine of the rusty discs against the pads as you roll it forwards then back again? Nope, it definitely sounds like that. Interestingly, I'll be back in it in nine days time, it'll feel weird after being out of it for so long, but I'm looking forward to getting back behind the wheel once again.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 15:47
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #48
stan_306gti6 wrote: I'll be back in it in nine days time, it'll feel weird after being out of it for so long, but I'm looking forward to getting back behind the wheel once again. Yeah that's great, but you should try starting it or driving it sometime instead of sitting in it and wretching at the stench your magic tree has no doubt left by this point. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 15:49
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #49
It was started on March 2nd this year and has been started a few times since then and run up to temp whilst I have changed the fluids and cambelt etc. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 15:52
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #50
You know you don't drive your car enough when you know the dates it was started.________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 15:53
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