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 jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro  Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Why do more people seem to be going for the supercharger over a turbocharger on the 306, whereas out of the factory manufacturers seem to go for turbo. Turbo's seem a lot cheaper to fit, just wondering why there are only a few turbo 306's?________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
 Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 21:23
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owain
Seasoned Pro  Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #2
When it's a retro-fit it's always down to what suits the engine best, whereas modern engines are designed from the outset to have a turbo. Some cars you'd only ever retro-fit turbos and never superchargers. No-one fits superchargers new anymore, as it's spinning the whole time so is terrible for emissions. The majority of cars that have turbos new are to hit CO2 targets, not power targets. Stan blames the EU. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 21:26
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend!  Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #3
because there are no off the shelf turbo conversions whereas we all know you can get a superchargerpackage with everything you'll need, plus its been tried, tested and proven, and you can retain oe ecu, exhaust manifold, clutch etc etc. Best ready to go turbo setup is a T16 but you won't find one and even if you do it will cost more than a basic rotrex package plus it will no doubt need a rebuild, new turbo etc. |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 21:30
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #4
and what owain just said |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 21:31
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #5
owain wrote: Stan blames the EU. This, I certainly do.  I blame them for a lot more than just emission laws though.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 21:33
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #6
stan_306gti6 wrote: I blame them for a lot more than just emission laws though No Stan! Now is not the time! ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 21:38
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #7
Don't DP engineering do an off the shelf turbo? I thought I saw a thread with someone using their kit on their car. ________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 21:39
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #8
Yeah they do, it's almost all here http://atspeedracing.co.uk/products/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4_5&products_id=23 Comes in at under £2k for basic setup before you start mounting intercoolers ect. ________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 21:41
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #9
jamiek_uk2000 wrote: Don't DP engineering do an off the shelf turbo? I thought I saw a thread with someone using their kit on their car. they do a basic manifold/turbo kit but not a full setup although they could probably tailor a package to suit iirc, approx £2k for manifold, turbo and oil/water lines...then you need and ecu, fmic, etc |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 21:43
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #10
Yeah it does soon all add up. Just seen a thread on here about a turbo setup then wondered why it hadn't been done yet. Once I get my tax rebate I shall be getting Rich_W to build me a high boost engine  ________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 21:48
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #11
turbo builds can be done on a budget, i'm getting there slowly with mine, up to now iv'e spent approx £2.5k and still need intercooler + hoses, ecu + mapping, clutch. so probably another £1500 then i'll need a limited slip diff |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 21:55
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #12
What sort of BHP you expecting to get out of that then? 4k is what a LBSC conversion comes in at isn't it?________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 21:56
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro  Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
Post #13
It's a never ending slippery slope mate lol, and before you know it you have spent £15000 on a French tin can, when thinking back what else could I have bought with the money, an awful lot that's what.But good on you guys for giving it a go, and when the thing worked it was brilliant. ________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 21:59
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #14
well 300 is my ultimate target, however this is a front wheel drive road car so i want some sort of driveability so i'm guessing around 250 will do me. i know that doesnt sound like a lot but a turbo engine delivers its torque in a totally different manner to a s.chargerRotrex is arguably the way to go but i just love the feel of a turbo as it spools at 3k rpm! plus the wastegate chatter lol |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:01
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #15
A damn fine slippery slope that I will be flying down, or I could do what my mate has done and spend 17k on a VXR that has lost 8k in three years anyway. Cars are money pits, anyone who thinks any other way is just lying to themselves. Might aswell make it a pit that I love ________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:02
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #16
I've always loved the sound of a turbo, I love driving my Vivaro since all the sound of the engine is the turbo whirring, that's a diesel van! Driving turbo petrols and I end up changing gear every three seconds to here the wastegate chattering. I'm a 25 year old child________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:03
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #17
as i am a mechanic i get to drive many different cars on a daily basis, vxr's, st's etc etc, yea ok, theyhave the power but none of them have the rawness or feel that an older car gives |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:08
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #18
i feel like the 306 is let down because if you have say a clio then you can fit a megane turbo lump, if your a VAG person then theres the 1.8 20v turbo, the list goes on |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:11
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coskev
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #19
That's one of the disapointing things about the rotrex sc 6's, there is no sound from the charger You get abit of a whoosh from the exhaust from the forced induction, but I was hoping the chargers would sound like mini coopers etc  ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:15
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Just fit one of these  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TURBO-EXHAUST-WHISTLER-WHISTLE-SOUND-for-FORD-Vauxhall-VW-SAXO-BMW-AUDI-UK-/110970781064?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19d65fbd88 ________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:18
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #21
coskev wrote: That's one of the disapointing things about the rotrex sc 6's, there is no sound from the charger You get abit of a whoosh from the exhaust from the forced induction, but I was hoping the chargers would sound like mini coopers etc i hate the noise of the supercharged coopers, horrible whiny things! although they do actually drive very well. a friend of mine had an s works with 220bhp, torque was always there, any gear any rpm but it was just, well, a mini |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:19
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:19
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #23
Yeah they do pull well in all fairness to them. My mate took one in before that a woman said was too expensive to run as it was only 5 speed, she didn't realise someone had put a different gearknob on from a 5 speed and never tried 6th!I'm going to buy a few of them exhaust things and clamp them on my mates cars. They won't know what is going on ________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:22
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #24
may as well get an electric supercharger too. only £5.99... |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:24
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #25
While I'm there init. I might get an online remap aswell. Just after I claim my prize in a Nigerian lottery...________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 22:26
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