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Denis

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I’ve searched for a long time for adjustable topmounts for track use to properly fit 306 and have not found anything that I was fully satisfied with with (most kits do not increase the caster or provide wide enough range of camber adjustment). So I designed my own:

- Fit 306 using the usual 3 bolt holes
- 2deg of extra caster
- Fully adjustable camber 1 to 4 deg with 2.5” coilovers*
- Use 20mm ID spherical bearings

* 1 deg fits the standard cut out and anything above requires the mount hole enlarging as can be seen in pictures below.

It was not economically viable to make just one kit so I had a few made. There are currently 5 kits available, but I am waiting for a couple of people for first refusals.
The price for the kit is £295 collected or £305 delivered.



The kit includes all the nuts and bolts to fit the mounts:


Note: the kit does NOT include the sleeve washers/nuts as there are too many variants depending on which coilovers are used.

Hole enlarged to have up to 3 deg of negative camber:



Mounts set to 2 deg of negative camber.

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Posted 29th Aug 2012 at 23:49
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Good Work. I like!

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Posted 29th Aug 2012 at 23:52
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Good work Denis, glad to see you finally got these sorted Yes

Now if only I had a job Hmm

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 08:15
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If only my turrets had'nt been cut out and replaced with smaller PCD 205 turret tops Doh

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 09:15
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daveyboy wrote:
If only my turrets had'nt been cut out and replaced with smaller PCD 205 turret tops Doh


There is always a plasma cutter and a grinder…

In the long term I am planning to reinforce my turrets by filling in most of the cut out with 3mm plate and putting slots to line up with the top mounts. (Just need to have a bit more practice with the welder first Thumbs up)

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 22:10
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Ill have a set.

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Posted 31st Aug 2012 at 15:23
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nice, I'd like some of these, hopefully you will still have them when I can afford it.

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Posted 31st Aug 2012 at 17:07
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buzzbrightyear wrote:
nice, I'd like some of these, hopefully you will still have them when I can afford it.


Same Smile

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Posted 31st Aug 2012 at 17:32
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Would you be willing to get more made up if these all sell?

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Posted 31st Aug 2012 at 22:09
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coxy1 wrote:
Ill have a set.


You have PM.

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Posted 1st Sep 2012 at 10:08
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clen666 wrote:
Would you be willing to get more made up if these all sell?


I was not planning to make any more, but if there is enough interest – I’ll reconsider.

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Posted 1st Sep 2012 at 10:12
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Would these work with kw v2?
Posted 1st Sep 2012 at 14:18
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would these work with normal struts?
Ie Bilstein b8s

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Posted 1st Sep 2012 at 14:24
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Would these work with kw v2?
Having spoken to Denis on a couple of occasions about these they ate an improvement on what spoox etc offer, so yes they will work with v2's I would imagine but buzz I expect they won't work with normal type dampers as A) there isn't the clearance in the turrets to allow movement for camber adjustment. Coolthere isn't enough on the thread at the top of the struts and no way of securing the spring and still allowing the strut to move on the bearing if you get my meaning. I'm pretty sure I'm right with this I'm sure Denis will confirm when he comes on line! Thumbs up

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^ ahh I see.
And If they did fit the springs would basically catch the inner wing because of the extra camber and castor?

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Posted 1st Sep 2012 at 17:25
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Pretty much, there's only about 5mm there before they hit on a standard car.

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Stick me down for a set Dennis, I'm sure I'll make them fit Wink

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Posted 1st Sep 2012 at 19:10
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daveyboy wrote:
Stick me down for a set Dennis, I'm sure I'll make them fit Wink


Can I borrow you and a plasma cutter to fit mine?
Posted 1st Sep 2012 at 20:14
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buzzbrightyear

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trouble is I don't really want to run coil overs, I like it to be road compatible, when I've been in cars with cool overs on the road it's been to stiff and made the cars handle worse.

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Posted 1st Sep 2012 at 23:40
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Denis

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The mounts will work with KW V2s. If you are on standard mounts at the moment you’d need to buy different top hats for the springs from KW.

As for B8s – as the others have said, you can’t use these mounts. As an option, you can have your hubs machined for negative camber (that is what I had done when I was running B8s).

There is no inherent problems with coil overs and ride quality. It is just that most cheap coil overs have very nasty dampers. Everyone who comes out in my Rallye could not believe the ride quality; it rides bumps better than my 3 series.

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Posted 2nd Sep 2012 at 22:24
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Denis

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Currently all the mounts are either sold or I am waiting for payment.

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Posted 2nd Sep 2012 at 22:24
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russian guy wrote:
It is just that most cheap coil overs have very nasty dampers.
QFT Thumbs up

people don't realise there's much more to a decent uprated suspension setup than a stiff spring and some cheap dampers, and you wont get that for less than £800-1k.

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Posted 2nd Sep 2012 at 22:43
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chris with a pug wrote:
daveyboy wrote:
Stick me down for a set Dennis, I'm sure I'll make them fit Wink


Can I borrow you and a plasma cutter to fit mine?


I'm sure there is a less drastic way of making the cut LOL

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Posted 2nd Sep 2012 at 23:29
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Payment sent Smile first goodies I've bought in ages!

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Some of my services: (See my for sale threads)
Engine mount/chassis repair
Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION
Harness bars
Posted 3rd Sep 2012 at 09:33
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jorg

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I have also sent my payment too Big grin

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Posted 3rd Sep 2012 at 09:35
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