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 demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro  Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #101
What torsion bars are you running? I'd think the rear would need to be quite stiff to take that strength springs.Things I need to buy / do before it goes back out again: - New tyres - Rollcage bought and fitted - Camber adjustable top mounts - Rollerbearing bushes - New hubs and bearings - Strip ABS - Fit extinguisher and race battery - New race seat and harnesses Possibly neg camber trailing arms as well ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
 Posted 25th Aug 2013 at 16:19
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lurch86
Senior User  Location: Herne Bay, Kent Registered: 22 Nov 2010 Posts: 505 Status: Offline |
Post #102
I've got hybrid anti roll bar and 25.something mm Peugeot sport torsion bars. Not very comfortable on the road I can assure you, but awesome on track. Brands was the first time I've been out with them. Only did a half day and I shared that with someone and it rained on the last half of it so haven't really been out properly. I've got adjustable top mounts but I don't think they give enough neg camber... ________________________________________ Wanted list... (P.m me if you have any)Rollcage. Strut Braces. Lydden Hill 31/10/2015 Last Track day 1st time at Snetterton on the Bike! 22/08/2017 |
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Posted 25th Aug 2013 at 20:50
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #103
Should be ok with 25mm TBs. I'm only running 23.5mm and 350lb springs, will go stiffer one day but the cage will help a lot.Since I'm changing hubs anyway I might get them machined for negative camber... ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 25th Aug 2013 at 21:09
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lurch86
Senior User Location: Herne Bay, Kent Registered: 22 Nov 2010 Posts: 505 Status: Offline |
Post #104
Yeah good idea, I may do that too.. or modify the strut tops for more, but I've gotta get the rears done at some point anyway.________________________________________ Wanted list... (P.m me if you have any)Rollcage. Strut Braces. Lydden Hill 31/10/2015 Last Track day 1st time at Snetterton on the Bike! 22/08/2017 |
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Posted 25th Aug 2013 at 21:41
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #105
Finally uploaded one of the videos. Not our fastest session but good enough. Can hear the amount of tyre squeal we were getting as well.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjgaGcWjsmI&feature=youtu.be ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 26th Aug 2013 at 08:11
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lurch86
Senior User Location: Herne Bay, Kent Registered: 22 Nov 2010 Posts: 505 Status: Offline |
Post #106
Good stuff mate!________________________________________ Wanted list... (P.m me if you have any)Rollcage. Strut Braces. Lydden Hill 31/10/2015 Last Track day 1st time at Snetterton on the Bike! 22/08/2017 |
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Posted 26th Aug 2013 at 12:26
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mcvite
Regular  Location: basingstoke Registered: 23 May 2012 Posts: 303 Status: Offline |
Post #107
Very good mate,well done  ________________________________________ http://s1160.photobucket.com/albums/q486/mcvite/ |
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Posted 26th Aug 2013 at 16:55
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lurch86
Senior User Location: Herne Bay, Kent Registered: 22 Nov 2010 Posts: 505 Status: Offline |
Post #108
What camera's do you use and how do you get them in one video like that? Can you do that with 2 go pro's? Cheers________________________________________ Wanted list... (P.m me if you have any)Rollcage. Strut Braces. Lydden Hill 31/10/2015 Last Track day 1st time at Snetterton on the Bike! 22/08/2017 |
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Posted 26th Aug 2013 at 20:23
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #109
What's that I hear you all cry, you'd like an update? Well sure, here you go!So, I began work on getting the wheel bearings and flange replaced 2 weeks ago. I got the the point where the hub was out of the car and ready to get the bearings and flange out. This turned into a horribly slow job but I managed to get one out before deciding just to give it to the local garage to use their press on it instead. While I was there they also took the old bushes off the wishbones as well. Ended up taking 2 hours and using a crazy amount of different tools! All sorted in the end but they took the pins for the front bushes away to be re-engineered so waiting for them to come back. Few pictures:   Yesterday I refitted the hubs to the driveshaft and suspension strut. I still didn't have the pins back from the engineers so couldn't get the wishbones fitted which was a bit of the pain but I decided to buy new TREs and balljoints while everything was apart. Lovely Lemforder parts   At this point I decided to strip out the entire brake system and ABS loom as I'm running my own brake system with bias valve etc. The entire brake system and ABS loom!  Nice bit of space in the engine bay  I'll be refitting everything and running the new brake system in a couple of weeks once I've ordered all the new parts in. ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 29th Sep 2013 at 10:24
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clen666
Seasoned Pro  Location: Co. Durham Registered: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 2,401 Status: Offline |
Post #110
Nice update, keep 'em coming!Where did you get the new hubs from? I see gsf stock them but unsure of quality ________________________________________ Team 'unintentional rat look' |
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Posted 29th Sep 2013 at 12:17
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daver6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
Post #111
I got one of those hubs from ECP stripped a thread removing a wheel so took them off and got some febi's from ECP________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
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Posted 29th Sep 2013 at 12:48
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #112
I picked them up from ECP, fairly certain both are Febi's, I know 1 is definitely but can't remember about the other.It was surprisingly satisfying to remove the brake system and I'm quite looking forward to putting the new stuff in! ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 29th Sep 2013 at 13:28
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #113
So quite a lot has gone on in the last few weeks! I finished up rebuilding the front suspension with the new flanges, wheel bearings, balljoints and track rod ends.Few photos:   We had an issue with the offside caliper where one of the bleed nipples wasn't seating correctly causing a small weepage when out on track. I sent the caliper off to have the thread drilled out and helicoiled so that's solved the problem there   I've also stripped out and replaced the brake system with my own custom pipes. Had a few issues with some flares not being good enough so we had to redo them, bit of a pain but all part of the learning process.  I've bought a cage now, ready to be fitted soon. Currently being used as an expensive coat stand!  We went out on track yesterday for the first time since having done all the work. The car went really well, the first stint was very damp which caused a few scary moment! Once the track had dried out we managed to get some good dry running in, lapping at around 1 min 1 second mark, similar to the last session. Sadly the tyres were on their way out so front grip was very bad, lots of understeer and tyre squeal! The guys next to us were a motorsport prep company so they gave us some tips on how to setup the car so we stiffened the rear a bit which helped with getting the car turned in but it needed more. I've just bought a set of adjustable camber top mounts that should help us with turn in next time we go out on track.  ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 5th Nov 2013 at 22:19
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bellcp306td
Regular  Location: Bedlington Registered: 10 Aug 2009 Posts: 166 Status: Offline |
Post #114
Glad the brakes are fine, i am wishing i still had the calipers so i could make a setup for the golf.________________________________________ Where did the road go!Chris |
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Posted 6th Nov 2013 at 13:33
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #115
The brakes are phenomenal, even with the Brembo pads on. Going to get some new pads soon and see how it copes with them but I will definitely need new tyres first or I will be locking up all the time.________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 6th Nov 2013 at 17:29
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #116
Update time!I've slowly been amassing parts to rebuild the front suspension, again... This time was to add some camber and fit upper and lower strut braces. Bought myself a Ripp lower strut brace (conveniently in red to match the colour of the car...)  Fitting was more difficult then I thought it would be as, unsurprisingly, the brace is slightly narrower than the chassis. Luckily with the help of the air gun, it got fitted eventually:  I also bought a pair of adjustable top mounts:  Fitting was also slow as we had to drill out the holes and tap a thread into them. We also had to make some adjustments to the mounting points of the top mount into the body as the holes didn't quite line up. At the end of it, it all fitted ok:  And the resulting camber was pretty good!   Finally we fitted the upper strut brace:  Earlier this week I ordered my new tyres, they should be delivered on Friday. Rollcage should be getting fitted in Jan. ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 8th Dec 2013 at 23:08
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #117
demondriverdan wrote: Fitting was more difficult then I thought it would be as, unsurprisingly, the brace is slightly narrower than the chassis. Luckily with the help of the air gun, it got fitted eventually: ?? Subframe bent or something? ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 8th Dec 2013 at 23:28
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #118
Don't think so. We'd talking about 0.5cm out so nothing too bad. ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 8th Dec 2013 at 23:30
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #119
They're all clamped down on a jig for fitting and welding though...Did you push the brace all the way up before pushing the bolts home, or vice versa? As the bolts are angled away from each other slightly in the subframe, so if they're home before the brace is right up it will make it appear too narrow. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 8th Dec 2013 at 23:50
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #120
Yea, that's probably what I did. It didn't take the air gun much effort at all, I just didn't want to hammer the bolts. It just catches the sump so we get a bit more vibration in the car but nothing too bad.________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 9th Dec 2013 at 09:44
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #121
Sometimes they just catch that bottom pipe you can see in the photo, if you slacken the mounting bolt on the pipe and push it up it should go away.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 9th Dec 2013 at 15:36
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tvrfan007
Seasoned Pro  Location: In the garage Registered: 29 May 2005 Posts: 3,488 Status: Offline |
Post #122
demondriverdan wrote: They should be the other way up for safety reasons. if the fastener works loose, it cant drop out as the head won't fall through - yours will if the nuts undo. ________________________________________ I'm Si btw Night Blue VW Golf GTD Bianca LBSC Rallye - Track/Road Slag Project Thread Sparkling Silver Mini Cooper D - Super Dooper  - (The other half's wheels) |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 15:24
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devere
Senior User  Location: Saxtead Registered: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 810 Status: Offline |
Post #123
How many degrees of camber did you measure at the front wheels there? That looks a hell of a lot...?Id say you will eat the inside of the new tyres quicker than you can get another set ordered and delivered. I guess there is a chance is just the angle on the pictures, but it definitely looks too far in my opinion. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 18:47
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #124
Using my inaccurate iPhone gyro we guessed at about 5 degrees. It probably does need toning down a bit, will figure it out next time we're on track.________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 19:10
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro  Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #125
demondriverdan wrote: Using my inaccurate iPhone gyro we guessed at about 5 degrees. It probably does need toning down a bit, will figure it out next time we're on track. my BTCC car is running 4 on the front, and has got 4.5 on the rear! and as someone else has said your ball joint bolts need to go the other way round, just in case they ever come loose, I know that rarely happens but you never know. ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 29th Dec 2013 at 09:55
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