Nope that would buy you 2 tidy 6s and no btcc lower arms are actually pretty simple
what did they use? surely not OE arms??
Not far off just rose jointed ball joints as far as I'm aware? prob different front and rear arm bushes As well ?
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,753 Status: Offline |
Post #51
jsa666 wrote: bigbadbowen wrote: jsa666 wrote: £1300, that would buy a complete tidy 6!..I'm assuming their BTCC derived? Nope that would buy you 2 tidy 6s and no btcc lower arms are actually pretty simple what did they use? surely not OE arms?? Not far off just rose jointed ball joints as far as I'm aware? prob different front and rear arm bushes As well ? |
Posted 27th Jul 2012 at 23:08
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #52
They're pretty s**t tbh, just have a rose joint in shear slapped in the end of the balljoint plate.I'd assume they did their geo changes by moving the inboard pivots and just used the joint to correct any manufacturing tolerances. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
Posted 27th Jul 2012 at 23:09
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bigbadbowen
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Post #53
phillipm wrote: They're pretty s**t tbh, just have a rose joint in shear slapped in the end of the balljoint plate. I'd assume they did their geo changes by moving the inboard pivots and just used the joint to correct any manufacturing tolerances. Think the rules stopped them going crazy |
Posted 27th Jul 2012 at 23:18
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phillipm
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Post #54
Quite probably, mind you find if you get far enough up the motosport echelons and they go away from adjustable arms and just have dozens of arms with different settings, then swap and change, wouldn't be hard to tweak the bushes and/or arms to get what they wanted.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
Posted 28th Jul 2012 at 11:43
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coskev
Seasoned Pro Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #55
jsa666 wrote: ok, i have been out for a decent drive tonight i cant see what the big deal is about them bein harsh who said polys were harsh? has your m8 made you bushes for the front of bottom arm too?or just for the P bushes? ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
Posted 28th Jul 2012 at 14:30
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #56
we've only done the p bushes up to now, will be making up front bushes next week, waiting onpoly material to be delivered, had to buy 5 meters of it lol, also need some stainless tube for sleeves also should have rear mounts done by end of next week as well |
Posted 28th Jul 2012 at 21:46
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buzzbrightyear
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Post #57
5 metres, so i take it there will be a group buy thread starting soon, for some reason I always though they was cast from like a hot melted plasticky liquid. ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
Posted 28th Jul 2012 at 22:47
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JWP EFi
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Post #58
buzzbrightyear wrote: 5 metres, so i take it there will be a group buy thread starting soon, for some reason I always though they was cast from like a hot melted plasticky liquid. maybe other people do it that way, ive ordered a length of round bar ready to be turned down to the right size, also need to buy in a few sets of the aluminium p bushes from peugeot i would like a couple of people to try them on their own cars to see what sort of feedback i get |
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 10:58
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #59
Im up for it as i still havent picked bushes up and thats all thats left to get now.________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 11:09
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #60
Thats 2 people, anyone else???They wont be ready for about a week, as said i'm waiting for material to be delivered and then need to wait for my mate to machine them if theres enough interest i would go to the engineers and make Them up in bulk |
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 11:15
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eliotrw
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Post #61
Rough estimate on cost?________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 11:45
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phillipm
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Post #62
buzzbrightyear wrote: 5 metres, so i take it there will be a group buy thread starting soon, for some reason I always though they was cast from like a hot melted plasticky liquid. mine were, but they work on a little different principle compared to machined pivots. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 11:47
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JWP EFi
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Post #63
eliotrw wrote: Rough estimate on cost? cost, it depends on who i get to machine them, if i go to an engineering firm then obviously they will cost more to make unless i can go in and say i need say 10 sets |
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 13:13
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marco gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Troisvierges Registered: 09 Mar 2009 Posts: 1,350 Status: Offline |
Post #64
davewagon wrote: Anyone tried the Vibrates ones that Miles is flogging?? +1 |
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 14:24
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JWP EFi
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Post #65
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Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 14:38
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JWP EFi
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Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 14:45
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JWP EFi
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Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 14:47
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JWP EFi
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Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 14:56
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coskev
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Post #69
Look good only downside is the cost of the alloy p-bushes from pug to start with as you can get powerflex p-bushes for not alot more than the price of the pug bushes ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 15:27
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #70
see my post abovehttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-XSARA-PICASSO-FRONT-WISHBONE-BUSH-/320873016518?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AXsara+Picasso&hash=item4ab585acc6 ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 15:45
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JWP EFi
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Post #71
coskev wrote: Look good only downside is the cost of the alloy p-bushes from pug to start with as you can get powerflex p-bushes for not alot more than the price of the pug bushes yes thats true, but from what i have read on here the powerflex one's are s**t!, i'm not saying mine will be any better but given the material i'm using then they may well be, time will tell Welshpug - my only worry about the cheap one's from ebay is the internal diameter may be different and the overall quality might not be as good as the OE brackets, the cheaper patern part copies are made by the mile and cut off by the inch lol but saying that i guess theres no harm in trying them on my own car I did some rough calculations earlier, to buy the 2 brackets from Peugeot, buying the stainless steel sleeving for the front bushes then the poly itself,looking at just shy of £70, then machineing costs if i have to go to a firm, thats the cost price for a full set |
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 18:44
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JWP EFi
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Post #72
also i can make these with 2 different types of material:1- Polyurethene 'Shore 90' basically means the hardness of it 2-Nylon 66, a self lubricating material thats ideal for shock loaded components - Bushes! Theres very little cost difference between the 2 types, whatever i get, i have to buy a minimum of 5 meters |
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 18:58
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coskev
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Post #73
jsa666 wrote: yes thats true, but from what i have read on here the powerflex one's are s**t!, i'm not saying mine will be any better but given the material i'm using then they may well be, time will tell Thats the front Powerflex ones people say are s**t Not seen any bad feedback on the powrflex p-bushes,thats why I thought I would try them http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Powerflex-Peugeot-306-Front-Arm-Rear-Bush-PFF50-302-/110890022168?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19d18f7518 ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 21:42
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coskev
Seasoned Pro Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #74
If you can get you Poly bushes into the p-bushes below on E-Bay it would make them well cheap welshpug! wrote: see my post above http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-XSARA-PICASSO-FRONT-WISHBONE-BUSH-/320873016518?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AXsara+Picasso&hash=item4ab585acc6 Big saving over Pug Have you seen these in the flesh? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-XSARA-PICASSO-FRONT-WISHBONE-BUSH-/320873016518?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AXsara+Picasso&hash=item4ab585acc6 ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 21:48
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #75
coskev wrote: If you can get you Poly bushes into the p-bushes below on E-Bay it would make them well cheap welshpug! wrote: see my post above http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-XSARA-PICASSO-FRONT-WISHBONE-BUSH-/320873016518?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AXsara+Picasso&hash=item4ab585acc6 Big saving over Pug Have you seen these in the flesh? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-XSARA-PICASSO-FRONT-WISHBONE-BUSH-/320873016518?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AXsara+Picasso&hash=item4ab585acc6 i will buy a couple of these before i get bushes made up, don't want to go daft making sets up only to find out they don't fit the cheaper aluminium brackets, btw, nearly done 350 miles on my car and no problems yet, wish i had thought of this ages ago, steering, braking and the general feel of the car is just soooo much better and thats with shagged rear mounts! |
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 22:19
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