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bigbadbowen

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Post #51
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£1300, that would buy a complete tidy 6!..I'm assuming their BTCC derived?


Nope that would buy you 2 tidy 6s and no btcc lower arms are actually pretty simple



what did they use? surely not OE arms??


Not far off just rose jointed ball joints as far as I'm aware? prob different front and rear arm bushes As well ?
Posted 27th Jul 2012 at 23:08
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They're pretty s**t tbh, just have a rose joint in shear slapped in the end of the balljoint plate.

I'd assume they did their geo changes by moving the inboard pivots and just used the joint to correct any manufacturing tolerances.

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Posted 27th Jul 2012 at 23:09
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They're pretty s**t tbh, just have a rose joint in shear slapped in the end of the balljoint plate.

I'd assume they did their geo changes by moving the inboard pivots and just used the joint to correct any manufacturing tolerances.


Think the rules stopped them going crazy Yes
Posted 27th Jul 2012 at 23:18
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Quite probably, mind you find if you get far enough up the motosport echelons and they go away from adjustable arms and just have dozens of arms with different settings, then swap and change, wouldn't be hard to tweak the bushes and/or arms to get what they wanted.

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Posted 28th Jul 2012 at 11:43
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Post #55
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ok, i have been out for a decent drive tonight i cant see what the big deal is about them bein harsh


who said polys were harsh?Dunno

has your m8 made you bushes for the front of bottom arm too?or just for the P bushes?Thumbs up

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Posted 28th Jul 2012 at 14:30
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we've only done the p bushes up to now, will be making up front bushes next week, waiting on

poly material to be delivered, had to buy 5 meters of it lol, also need some stainless tube for sleeves

also should have rear mounts done by end of next week as well
Posted 28th Jul 2012 at 21:46
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5 metres, so i take it there will be a group buy thread starting soon, for some reason I always though they was cast from like a hot melted plasticky liquid.

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Posted 28th Jul 2012 at 22:47
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5 metres, so i take it there will be a group buy thread starting soon, for some reason I always though they was cast from like a hot melted plasticky liquid.


maybe other people do it that way, ive ordered a length of round

bar ready to be turned down to the right size, also need to buy in

a few sets of the aluminium p bushes from peugeot

i would like a couple of people to try them on their own cars

to see what sort of feedback i get

Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 10:58
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Im up for it as i still havent picked bushes up and thats all thats left to get now.

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Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 11:09
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Thats 2 people, anyone else???

They wont be ready for about a week, as said i'm waiting

for material to be delivered and then need to wait for my mate

to machine them

if theres enough interest i would go to the engineers and make

Them up in bulk
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 11:15
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Rough estimate on cost?

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Post #62
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5 metres, so i take it there will be a group buy thread starting soon, for some reason I always though they was cast from like a hot melted plasticky liquid.


mine were, but they work on a little different principle compared to machined pivots.

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Rough estimate on cost?


cost, it depends on who i get to machine them, if i go to an engineering

firm then obviously they will cost more to make unless i can go

in and say i need say 10 sets
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 13:13
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Anyone tried the Vibrates ones that Miles is flogging??


+1 Hmm
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 14:24
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the first one!

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arm fitted to car

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bush fitted to arm

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Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 14:56
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Look goodThumbs up

only downside is the cost of the alloy p-bushes from pug to start withThumbs down

as you can get powerflex p-bushes for not alot more than the price of the pug bushesDunno

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Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 15:27
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see my post above

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-XSARA-PICASSO-FRONT-WISHBONE-BUSH-/320873016518?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AXsara+Picasso&hash=item4ab585acc6

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Look goodThumbs up

only downside is the cost of the alloy p-bushes from pug to start withThumbs down

as you can get powerflex p-bushes for not alot more than the price of the pug bushesDunno


yes thats true, but from what i have read on here the powerflex one's are s**t!, i'm not saying mine will be any

better but given the material i'm using then they may well be, time will tell


Welshpug - my only worry about the cheap one's from ebay is the internal diameter may be different and the overall

quality might not be as good as the OE brackets, the cheaper patern part copies are made by the mile and cut off by

the inch lol but saying that i guess theres no harm in trying them on my own car

I did some rough calculations earlier, to buy the 2 brackets from Peugeot, buying the stainless steel sleeving

for the front bushes then the poly itself,looking at just shy of £70, then machineing costs if i have to go to a firm,

thats the cost price for a full set
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 18:44
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also i can make these with 2 different types of material:

1- Polyurethene 'Shore 90' basically means the hardness of it

2-Nylon 66, a self lubricating material thats ideal for shock loaded components - Bushes!

Theres very little cost difference between the 2 types, whatever i get, i have to buy a minimum

of 5 meters
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 18:58
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yes thats true, but from what i have read on here the powerflex one's are s**t!, i'm not saying mine will be any

better but given the material i'm using then they may well be, time will tell


Thats the front Powerflex ones people say are s**tWink

Not seen any bad feedback on the powrflex p-bushes,thats why I thought I would try themThumbs up

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Powerflex-Peugeot-306-Front-Arm-Rear-Bush-PFF50-302-/110890022168?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19d18f7518

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Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 21:42
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If you can get you Poly bushes into the p-bushes below on E-Bay it would make them well cheapCool

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see my post above

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-XSARA-PICASSO-FRONT-WISHBONE-BUSH-/320873016518?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AXsara+Picasso&hash=item4ab585acc6


Big saving over PugThumbs up

Have you seen these in the flesh?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-XSARA-PICASSO-FRONT-WISHBONE-BUSH-/320873016518?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AXsara+Picasso&hash=item4ab585acc6

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Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 21:48
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If you can get you Poly bushes into the p-bushes below on E-Bay it would make them well cheapCool

welshpug! wrote:
see my post above

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-XSARA-PICASSO-FRONT-WISHBONE-BUSH-/320873016518?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AXsara+Picasso&hash=item4ab585acc6


Big saving over PugThumbs up

Have you seen these in the flesh?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-XSARA-PICASSO-FRONT-WISHBONE-BUSH-/320873016518?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AXsara+Picasso&hash=item4ab585acc6


i will buy a couple of these before i get bushes made up, don't want to go daft making sets up only to find out they

don't fit the cheaper aluminium brackets,

btw, nearly done 350 miles on my car and no problems yet, wish i had thought of this ages ago, steering, braking

and the general feel of the car is just soooo much better and thats with shagged rear mounts!
Posted 29th Jul 2012 at 22:19
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