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Hi, I've just pulled over as I nearly have no use of my breaks at all. When I push the pedal down it sounds like its full of air. Can any one give me any advice?
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 keep-3
Senior User  Location: Hereford Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 693 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 28th May 2012 at 00:17
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darzmat
Senior User  Location: nairn Registered: 14 Jan 2011 Posts: 879 Status: Offline |
Post #2
check fluid levelcheck for leaks at the calipers and servo. did it just suddenly go? maybe the servo itsself has failed ________________________________________ 1997 blaze GTI-6 bought january '11 £800 Spend to date on parts £827.88 |
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Posted 28th May 2012 at 00:19
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midlife
Seasoned Pro  Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
Post #3
Could be a split flexi or an overtightened bleed nipple has popped out, good luck ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!! Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker  Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 28th May 2012 at 00:23
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keep-3
Senior User Location: Hereford Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 693 Status: Offline |
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The pedal didn't feel quite right last night but it was still stopping the car but I've just left my girlfriends and had to pull in after about 10 mins as it feels like I have no breaks I'm about 15 minutes from home but it's deffintly not safe to drive. |
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Posted 28th May 2012 at 00:28
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keep-3
Senior User Location: Hereford Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 693 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Just noticed the pedal is stiff once the engine has stopped but when the engine is on the pedal moves easily all the way to the floor. |
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Posted 28th May 2012 at 00:36
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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As said, check the reservoir level and leaks around the car ASAP.When the engine is switched off is the pedal stopping at it's normal point, or can you with a bit of force push the pedal all the way to the floor but it is difficult to do so? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 28th May 2012 at 09:30
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dangti6
aka JKshooter  Location: Taunton, Somerset Registered: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 10,305 Status: Offline |
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Tiredness kills. You did the right thing pulling over for regular breaks.________________________________________  |
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Posted 28th May 2012 at 09:31
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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dangti6 wrote: Tiredness kills. You did the right thing pulling over for regular breaks.  Quality...________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 28th May 2012 at 09:32
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
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dangti6 wrote: Tiredness kills. You did the right thing pulling over for regular breaks. ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 28th May 2012 at 09:35
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #10
Sounds like the air is leaking out of the servo, probably needs a new servo, may be cracked somewhere where. ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 28th May 2012 at 12:29
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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I'm not so sure Andy, just the very nature of the description of the fault sounds like a fluid issue.  He said the pedal was a little spongy the night before indicating to me that there was a slight leak then and it was sucking in air. Now the pedal goes to the floor with the engine running, the servo sounds like it's doing its job and giving plenty of braking pressure to a system which has a leak... ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 28th May 2012 at 12:33
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
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Does the servo make the hissing noise when it's really low on fluid?I was just going on the hissing air noise. ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 28th May 2012 at 14:24
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dangti6
aka JKshooter Location: Taunton, Somerset Registered: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 10,305 Status: Offline |
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How did you get home in the end?________________________________________ |
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Posted 28th May 2012 at 14:26
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keep-3
Senior User Location: Hereford Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 693 Status: Offline |
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Not managed to have a good look but got the car home and there is a leak somewhere near the rear passenger wheel. Will have a proper look when I finish work. |
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Posted 28th May 2012 at 14:32
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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keep-3 wrote: Not managed to have a good look but got the car home and there is a leak somewhere near the rear passenger wheel. Will have a proper look when I finish work. Glad you managed to find the issue, I suspect it's either the caliper or the flexi has sprung a leak. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 28th May 2012 at 16:31
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keep-3
Senior User Location: Hereford Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 693 Status: Offline |
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Found the problem...part of the rear passenger brake line which the flexi connects to. keep-3 has attached the following image: |
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Posted 28th May 2012 at 21:40
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #17
New brake pipe time then. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 29th May 2012 at 11:44
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keep-3
Senior User Location: Hereford Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 693 Status: Offline |
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Its looking that way.  Is there anwhere to buy these from cheaper than peugeot? cant find them on euro cap parts or GSF. The other thing is im missing the compensator which the mechanics next to my work removed when my car failed its mot 2 years ago because it was seized. Looking at the price of them, i dont think I'll be refitting one as I havent noticed it effect the braking at all but looks like their will be a bit of bending the pipe lines in-situ to match what they've done. |
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Posted 29th May 2012 at 13:28
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smegal
Seasoned Pro  Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
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Just measure the pipe then go to any motor factors. They usually charge £1 per foot and £1 per end. ________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 29th May 2012 at 13:30
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keep-3
Senior User Location: Hereford Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 693 Status: Offline |
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Thanks, That sounds like it will save me a few bob! They're roughly £15 each from Peugeot.Anyway the sooner I can get this fixed the sooner something else can go wrong...  |
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Posted 29th May 2012 at 13:54
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
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With the compensator completely removed you will permanently have a 50/50 distribution of braking force between the front and the rear, which will compromise overall braking performance and will lead to the rears locking before the fronts.If it had seized in an open position then that might be why you haven't observed a difference, but replacing it will improve your car's braking. Alternatively, from where you are now you could fit a phase 3 ABS unit which has EBD, and manages brake force distribution on the fly. (Phase 3's don't have compensators fitted.) ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 29th May 2012 at 14:00
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keep-3
Senior User Location: Hereford Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 693 Status: Offline |
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Im not sure how it seized to be honest they just told me when I went to collect it that they had taken it off to save me the cost of replacing it and that I didnt need it.Would it be simple enough to fit an phase 3 ABS, Im not entirely sure what they did to the brake lines although I took some photos of the underneath which I'll post. They look like theyve been bent in all sorts of directions. |
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Posted 29th May 2012 at 16:00
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keep-3
Senior User Location: Hereford Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 693 Status: Offline |
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Posted 29th May 2012 at 16:00
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keep-3
Senior User Location: Hereford Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 693 Status: Offline |
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Posted 29th May 2012 at 16:01
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jord294
Seasoned Pro  Location: somewhere in north wales Registered: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,110 Status: Offline |
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Bloody cowboys!!!I'd be right p**sed off if a garage did that to my car (it's one reason I do as much work on my cars as possible) A bit of wd40 would of freed off the compensator. They do tend to stick/seize, but it's an easy fix ________________________________________ FRESHLY RE-FURBISHED GTI BEAMSFITTING AND LOWERING AVAILABLE. ALL AXLES BUILT USING GENUINE PEUGEOT PARTS IF I'M NOT HERE, IT ONLY MEANS ONE THING.... I'M SOMEWHERE ELSE! |
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Posted 29th May 2012 at 16:23
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