Post #76
Do you still make these upper struts?I'm after one upper and a lower for my S16 if you do them still
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 elpatron
Junior User  Location: Switzerland Registered: 21 Aug 2012 Posts: 78 Status: Offline |
I'm after one upper and a lower for my S16 if you do them still |
 Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 11:45
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elpatron
Junior User Location: Switzerland Registered: 21 Aug 2012 Posts: 78 Status: Offline |
Post #77
Anything new about those braces? |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 08:11
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro  Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #78
Pointless having shop bought bolt in ones compared to weld in jobbies, the difference is night and day for mine.________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 10:25
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #79
only if you compare something crap like an E-tech, a decent bolt in will be as good as a welded brace.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 11:16
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #80
Not for me, iv used several types, cheap and expensive and would now not go back to bolt in type for a fast race type car. Only a complete weld in type would keep it completely stiff with zero movement.However I would use a bolt in type just for a standard type car or everyday car as its better then nothing. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 12:01
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,796 Status: Offline |
Post #81
i need a strut brace on my hdi. the boost is tearing the car in half________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 12:06
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #82
Oh god, Surgie's words of wisdom again.it's more than possible to make a bolt in brace stiffer than a weld in and vice versa, depends entirely on the design and supporting mods to the car. Hopefully will be checking the final version on steve's car when I get back from holiday. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 12:15
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #83
I found that the upper brace didn't make anyway near as much difference as the lower did to the feel of the car in corners. Is that the general consensus ?________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 12:17
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #84
Yes, the upper will make less differnce to the handling than the lower. It should give a reduction NVH as well however.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 12:26
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #85
I can't remember what the git6 subframe looks like, but there is a strengthened subframe used on many Turbo diesels from the factory.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 12:36
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #86
Oh god you're putting peoples experience's down again, nothing changes. If you mean me then wisdom has nothing to do with it, it is my experience.Any chassis flex effects handling, lower or upper, have you actually compared both bought bolt on type to weld in type on same car ? I have and the difference I have had with them is so much better, the one you have made may make a better difference but I have not tried it, only tried what I have mentioned. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 13:10
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #87
beez_neez_gt wrote: the one you have made may make a better difference but I have not tried it so how can you comment? ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 13:23
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #88
How can anyone comment on how it made such a difference on my car for me when they have most likely not compared one same car with the two different types ? Its still a bolt in type relying on two bolts to stop it sliding a little bit. Some have the ends around the circular strut top too which may help stop any movement. I guess its a bit like spot welded panels compared to stitch welded panels which rally cars use generally.I'm talking about strut braces in general, welded up sub frames also make a big difference too for me. It is all far too technical in general to really say it makes a really big difference during driving but for me it feels a lot better. Iv used two types of bolt on ones, one with a screw nut type one straight through type and after a while the nut had come a bit looser on mine. The only reason I went for a weld in brace in the first place because of the advice Miles said on whatever forum it was about them years ago and i'm very glad I now have one fitted. The one on here looks really good though. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 13:41
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24seven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Derby Registered: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 6,221 Status: Offline |
Post #89
beez_neez_gt wrote: Oh god you're putting peoples experience's down again, nothing changes. If you mean me then wisdom has nothing to do with it, it is my experience. Any chassis flex effects handling, lower or upper, have you actually compared both bought bolt on type to weld in type on same car ? I have and the difference I have had with them is so much better, the one you have made may make a better difference but I have not tried it, only tried what I have mentioned. How did you carry out this comparison, just out of curiosity? Because if you're just referring to how it "feels" from the driver's seat, then you're only offering a single subjective opinion which doesn't really carry any significance. Alternatively if you've actually had the car on a flat bed, applied loads to each corner and measured the deflection separately for standard, bolt-on and welded strut braces, then that's a different story. ________________________________________ Ph1 306 GTi 6 | RX8 231 S1 | YBR 125 Cafe Racer | MT-03 660 |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 19:13
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #90
I had bolt on one cheap which was crap still had flex then used a better one for a year of driving before fitting weld in one and it felt improved, stiffer during cornering etc and using same front suspension as before.I know which is stiffer and it ant an old car thats been spot welded its the car thats been seam stich welded. They maybe very small differences but for me it was well worth doing and when i build a track car it will have one fitted but inc a triangle towards bulkhead if possible. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 19:40
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24seven
Seasoned Pro Location: Derby Registered: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 6,221 Status: Offline |
Post #91
If you think about it, whether it's bolted on or welded on shouldn't make much of a difference purely because of the mechanics involved. Unless a bolt on one is loose and slipping around on it's contact face, it ought to be just as stiff/secure as a welded in one. The difference would be down to the design, whereby a welded one might benefit from not being limited to having to attach in a specific place.I put a bolt on £20 "Raceland" eBay jobby on my old XS and though I didn't really notice any handling changes, a few squeaks and rattles in the dashboard vanished.  ________________________________________ Ph1 306 GTi 6 | RX8 231 S1 | YBR 125 Cafe Racer | MT-03 660 |
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Posted 31st May 2013 at 22:17
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #92
Pretty much, I don't know where people get this conception of a bolt being some sort of pin that everything rotates around, a bolt is just a very simple/strong clamp. Ergo, if it's attached by the two bolts at the extremes like mine are, then there's not enough leverage to make it slip around a bolt and it just acts as a single structure. It's kinda the whole point of a bolt.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 1st Jun 2013 at 17:13
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro  Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #93
Epic thread bump for 2014!How are these coming along Phillip?  ;-)________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 3rd Jan 2014 at 11:15
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RetroPug
Seasoned Pro  Location: Leicestershire Registered: 15 Jan 2013 Posts: 2,473 Status: Offline |
Post #94
I'd also be interested in one of these if the price is reasonable and they will fit a ph.1?________________________________________ 61k miles Ph.1 Diablo '6 Project Thread |
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Posted 5th Jul 2014 at 16:40
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro  Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #95
Aye since ive got a set of wavy discs how about a set of braces________________________________________ |
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Posted 5th Jul 2014 at 17:08
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #96
Aye, they kinda got put on a back burner because of other problems and trying to sort the bloody buggy out  ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 5th Jul 2014 at 20:35
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RetroPug
Seasoned Pro Location: Leicestershire Registered: 15 Jan 2013 Posts: 2,473 Status: Offline |
Post #97
Shame, they look really good.________________________________________ 61k miles Ph.1 Diablo '6 Project Thread |
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Posted 5th Jul 2014 at 21:22
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,753 Status: Offline |
Post #98
I've had all types of strut braces upper and lower and to be honest they do feck all it's all in your head ! |
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Posted 5th Jul 2014 at 22:01
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro  Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #99
I disagree. They feel sharper on a really heavy turn in. My lower brace seemed to make more of a difference though.________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 6th Jul 2014 at 04:02
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro  Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #100
The lower brace has made a nice difference. That one will have rusted away by the time phillip makes the uppers though....________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 3rd Aug 2014 at 20:53
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