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 hsustyle
Seasoned Pro  Location: High Hurstwood Registered: 08 Nov 2011 Posts: 1,037 Status: Offline |
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The last two mornings my Rallye starts and runs on 3 cyliners for a minute or so. Sounds like a tractor. I've then let it warm up and it runs fine. Im sure its not the injectors or the injectors loom because it won't do it when its warm.Any ideas? I have a new lambda sensor going on and waiting for a new coolant temp sensor and map sensor. This 3 cylinder business is a mystery to me! ________________________________________ Beef Beyond Belief |
 Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 10:48
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,796 Status: Offline |
Post #2
more than likely the HG starting to fail. it'll be seeping in overnight or when left for a bit and the misfiring is it clearing the water at which point it'll run fine (because it's hot). i would do a leakdown test on it. had this on probably 3 of the 306's i've had and it's always been the start of the HG failing unfortunately. hardly a mystery  ________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 10:52
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honestly3k
Seasoned Pro  Location: Berkhamsted Registered: 06 Apr 2009 Posts: 2,390 Status: Offline |
Post #3
Dodgy coilpack? Or spark plug? Worth a look________________________________________ ''Oh, it does handle like a golf!'' Why drive a Golf....when you can drive a GTi-6? |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 11:06
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hsustyle
Seasoned Pro Location: High Hurstwood Registered: 08 Nov 2011 Posts: 1,037 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Just had it back from KrisB. I had it to him for possible headgasket and he said it just had a big airlock and new thermostat needed.It also hesitates/flatspot/ Misfire in higher revs (4k+) when warm. ________________________________________ Beef Beyond Belief |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 11:11
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Check coilpacks and plugs mate, sounds like you could have a dodgy one in there.________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 11:49
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #6
coil issues are more likely to occur when warm/hot than cold, then when they go finally they just die totally.whip the plugs out and stick up a pic  would still err towards a gasket though if it does it from cold. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 11:57
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roland rat
Yeeeah Rat fans!  Location: Swansea Registered: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 22,284 Status: Offline |
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In the ones ive had i have to say HG |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 11:59
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #8
If the coils and plugs are all good after checking, then I too vote for HG.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 12:18
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yippeekayay
Seasoned Pro  Location: wilts Registered: 27 Oct 2008 Posts: 4,144 Status: Offline |
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With roland in this...did all the above on my last china...then it airlocked and finally blew the hg....sniff test it...________________________________________ 306 less for first time in nearly 7 years. Lets keep it that way... please refuse any offers i make to buy your 306 ( doctors letter supplied by request)Marmite and cheese sandwiches anyone??? Burns and Mcrae will be forever missed. x box "yippeekayaymofo" |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 12:20
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hsustyle
Seasoned Pro Location: High Hurstwood Registered: 08 Nov 2011 Posts: 1,037 Status: Offline |
Post #10
Sniff test is all fine and compression was spot on less than a week ago.. I have it booked in to find out what it is on Friday. I'll check the plugs tomorrow.Also seems to have a lot of moisture out of the exhaust,even when warm I am not living for the 306. It lives to bend me over and raid my bank account! ________________________________________ Beef Beyond Belief |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 12:26
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yippeekayay
Seasoned Pro Location: wilts Registered: 27 Oct 2008 Posts: 4,144 Status: Offline |
Post #11
Mine didnt show up on compression test or sniff despite exact same symptons. Changed all the same things you have then on the motorway it started running like crap looked in rear view mirror to see clouds of smoke... Rolled off motorway let it cool opened rad and it took about 2 litres of water and drove fine the last 10miles home. Sniffed it again and it was gone.________________________________________ 306 less for first time in nearly 7 years. Lets keep it that way... please refuse any offers i make to buy your 306 ( doctors letter supplied by request)Marmite and cheese sandwiches anyone??? Burns and Mcrae will be forever missed. x box "yippeekayaymofo" |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 12:35
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hsustyle
Seasoned Pro Location: High Hurstwood Registered: 08 Nov 2011 Posts: 1,037 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Well its on the drive now. Will see if new coolant temp sensor,map sensor and lambda sensor makes any difference on thurs before it goes off to a garage on Fri morning. Wouldn't it be cheaper to source and fit a new engine if it is headgasket? ________________________________________ Beef Beyond Belief |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 12:42
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,796 Status: Offline |
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i'd just do the HG________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 12:53
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #14
IMO I would do the gasket, you never know the condition of a donor engine really.Gasket would cost about £350 all in roughly if I do it. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 12:53
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #15
£350 is about the going rate. You won't buy a second hand engine for cheaper than that really, and even if you found one as Mei says you don't know its history or condition. Best option is replacing the HG and then back to happy motoring! ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 13:48
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hsustyle
Seasoned Pro Location: High Hurstwood Registered: 08 Nov 2011 Posts: 1,037 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: IMO I would do the gasket, you never know the condition of a donor engine really. Gasket would cost about £350 all in roughly if I do it. I'll find out if its HG on Fri and then I'll be in touch. £350 sounds very reasonable to me. Amin ________________________________________ Beef Beyond Belief |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 13:56
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yippeekayay
Seasoned Pro Location: wilts Registered: 27 Oct 2008 Posts: 4,144 Status: Offline |
Post #17
mine cost 700 quid in the end what with the cambelt mis fitting incident so mei's rate is very reasonable. might even get the belt done properly too.________________________________________ 306 less for first time in nearly 7 years. Lets keep it that way... please refuse any offers i make to buy your 306 ( doctors letter supplied by request)Marmite and cheese sandwiches anyone??? Burns and Mcrae will be forever missed. x box "yippeekayaymofo" |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 14:00
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jord294
Seasoned Pro  Location: somewhere in north wales Registered: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,110 Status: Offline |
Post #18
May be worth having a light skim on the head aswell if you are doing the gasket________________________________________ FRESHLY RE-FURBISHED GTI BEAMSFITTING AND LOWERING AVAILABLE. ALL AXLES BUILT USING GENUINE PEUGEOT PARTS IF I'M NOT HERE, IT ONLY MEANS ONE THING.... I'M SOMEWHERE ELSE! |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 14:06
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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£350 was inc a skim+pressure test, bolts and gasket, two cam seals and a timing belt as I was told it was not particularly old and the pulleys would be fine.If a full kit was to be fitted look nearer £400  oh and I forgot I did the oil+filter+coolant as well, plus plugs at £12 on top of the £350. basically, circa £100 for bits, £100 for skim+pressure test, £150 labour. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 14:15
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hsustyle
Seasoned Pro Location: High Hurstwood Registered: 08 Nov 2011 Posts: 1,037 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Belt,waterpump and tensioner were done less than 5k miles ago according to receipts so less to spend there. Awww I got a 306 because its newer, more comfy,safer and quick. All its done is act up and is slower than my old 106. You can guess what my next car will be again.________________________________________ Beef Beyond Belief |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 14:18
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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cool, you'd be looking nearer £350 then.If done properly a 106 will not be quicker unless its a stripped track shed, my gti6 powered ZX matched a cammed 106 gti till 3rd gear easily, then mullered it till we spotted an unmarked car  oh and that was when it was doing the same as this, cold start misfire ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 14:37
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hsustyle
Seasoned Pro Location: High Hurstwood Registered: 08 Nov 2011 Posts: 1,037 Status: Offline |
Post #22
The 106 was pretty light and pulled hard with the 1.3 box. Definitely 'felt' quicker because of the light rattly feel. mind you,it had a lot of fast road mods compared to the near standard 306. The 306 is far more composed and i find I don't notice how well it goes until I look at the speedo! I do really like it but its just messing me around so much.I'll send you a pm on Friday and we can sort something then.Amin ________________________________________ Beef Beyond Belief |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 15:11
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dendle89
Senior User  Location: Cardiff Registered: 29 Sep 2009 Posts: 827 Status: Offline |
Post #23
mate sounds like your having a bad time, but keep the faith with the 306 trust me you wont like going back to a 106. Get the H/G done then enjoy her !________________________________________ Team 6 Cylinders |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 15:33
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #24
dendle89 wrote: Get the H/G done then enjoy her ! ^^This ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 16:21
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hsustyle
Seasoned Pro Location: High Hurstwood Registered: 08 Nov 2011 Posts: 1,037 Status: Offline |
Post #25
Now misfires and hesitates like crazy above 4k revs.________________________________________ Beef Beyond Belief |
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Posted 7th Feb 2012 at 18:38
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