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 pugheaven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #51
That's probably down to the boost controller, if he has the gizzmo ms ibc you can set torque and power per gear and per rpm, if it was on full boost in 1st n 2nd it would never get grip!You can use a high boost supercharged car as a daily driver, I bet this would get on your tits big time if used as a daily car! |
 Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 22:23
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mechanical_repairs
Seasoned Pro  Location: leicester Registered: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 12,122 Status: Offline |
Post #52
pugheaven wrote: That's probably down to the boost controller, if he has the gizzmo ms ibc you can set torque and power per gear and per rpm, if it was on full boost in 1st n 2nd it would never get grip! You can use a high boost supercharged car as a daily driver, I bet this would get on your tits big time if used as a daily car! How you getting on with the high boost silver lighting chap? Carl ________________________________________ C.G.Cars of Leicester, Peugeot/Citroen/Renault specialist Tel: 01162 624498/07799 405184 WWW.CGCARSLEICESTER.CO.UK36 narborough road south, Leicester LE3 2fn MOT station now open, tests £35 with a free retest. Recovery available with a recovery unit, for those not so local jobs Also offer the loan of a free courtesy car 306 dturbo |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 22:29
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mattgti6phase2
Seasoned Pro  Location: inside my 6 abusing the tarmac!! Registered: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 2,371 Status: Offline |
Post #53
magpie2130 wrote: I'm not jealous & it's no doubt a monster but it's still at the end of it all a 205. If you wanted to go that fast for less buy an Evo I don't know of any evo in standard form that would be anywhere neat as fast as that 205????? Evos are heavy and hard to extract power from unless you spend big money as the engines are already highly stressed. My mate has an fq360 and in order to pull any more power out of it he needs new conrod bolts amongst other bits. Your talking £££££££££££££££££££££££ ________________________________________ Team Nile 6 Team: 40.2 MPG  5 x a 306 owner! currently abusing type r's in a town near you ™  I truely live for the 306 ® Build date: 29th October 1997 Wednesday's car midweek madness  |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 22:39
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magpie2130
Junior User  Location: milton keynes Registered: 26 Oct 2010 Posts: 70 Status: Offline |
Post #54
Yeah I know ££££ but I'd take the Evo every time. Even if it was slightly slower its certainly gonna put its power down better. & besides 5 & 6's aren't that heavy mostly aluminium. ________________________________________ Team RallyeTeam Cover Car 3 Stripes + 6 Gears = Fun |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 22:43
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro  Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #55
dont evos rot out????________________________________________ |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 22:45
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magpie2130
Junior User Location: milton keynes Registered: 26 Oct 2010 Posts: 70 Status: Offline |
Post #56
Yeah unless you care for them. No worse that an uncared for rallye.Besides the advert reads "This fully refinished car has had over 26k spent on the initial build without any labour costs included." That's an awful lot of other cars available for that money. ________________________________________ Team RallyeTeam Cover Car 3 Stripes + 6 Gears = Fun |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 22:47
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mattgti6phase2
Seasoned Pro Location: inside my 6 abusing the tarmac!! Registered: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 2,371 Status: Offline |
Post #57
That 205 has got to be more the 500bhp/tonne  that is veyron levels of quickness  ________________________________________ Team Nile 6Team: 40.2 MPG 5 x a 306 owner! currently abusing type r's in a town near you ™ I truely live for the 306 ® Build date: 29th October 1997 Wednesday's car midweek madness |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 23:05
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SteviePut
Seasoned Pro  Location: Down south Registered: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 13,637 Status: Offline |
Post #58
mattgti6phase2 wrote: That 205 has got to be more the 500bhp/tonne that is veyron levels of quickness Not quite. Veyron does it in 9.8 second And if it weighs around 800kgs and has 500bhp it's more like 600 odd bhp/tonne. Cheeky edit: There no point in having all that power if you can't use it. On most tracks in the UK I lay money on a well sorted 205 with half the power being able to stay with it  Remember - power is nothing without control   ________________________________________ My old man wrote me a letter from prison once. It said if you don't want to end up in here, stay away from crime, women and drugs. Trouble is, that don't leave you much else to do, does it? |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 23:19
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thugpuggin
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bristol Registered: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 26,784 Status: Offline |
Post #59
mattgti6phase2 wrote: That 205 has got to be more the 500bhp/tonne that is veyron levels of quickness  Sadly a shitty old French hatch wouldn't appeal to those that could afford one of those so I think the sale to the wealthy is unlikely.________________________________________ Black X Reg PIII.VGTi 6 A4212 pt 1 A4212 pt 2 Searching the streets of Bristol for 1.36p/day.Joint Kent Leader |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 23:23
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mattgti6phase2
Seasoned Pro Location: inside my 6 abusing the tarmac!! Registered: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 2,371 Status: Offline |
Post #60
SteviePut wrote: mattgti6phase2 wrote: That 205 has got to be more the 500bhp/tonne that is veyron levels of quickness Not quite. Veyron does it in 9.8 second And if it weighs around 800kgs and has 500bhp it's more like 600 odd bhp/tonne. Cheeky edit: There no point in having all that power if you can't use it. On most tracks in the UK I lay money on a well sorted 205 with half the power being able to stay with it Remember - power is nothing without control I agree 100% it's not a track slag though. Just a drag slag. ________________________________________ Team Nile 6Team: 40.2 MPG 5 x a 306 owner! currently abusing type r's in a town near you ™ I truely live for the 306 ® Build date: 29th October 1997 Wednesday's car midweek madness |
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Posted 11th Jan 2012 at 23:31
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robbbbb
Seasoned Pro  Location: Everywhere Registered: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,831 Status: Offline |
Post #61
mattgti6phase2 wrote: magpie2130 wrote: I'm not jealous & it's no doubt a monster but it's still at the end of it all a 205. If you wanted to go that fast for less buy an Evo I don't know of any evo in standard form that would be anywhere neat as fast as that 205????? Evos are heavy and hard to extract power from unless you spend big money as the engines are already highly stressed. My mate has an fq360 and in order to pull any more power out of it he needs new conrod bolts amongst other bits. Your talking £££££££££££££££££££££££ FYI your talking £2-3k of mods for a 400/400 car, beyond that as with most other turbo engines, forged internals and a massive turbo will see you up to 1000hp if you wish (and funds permit) just saying..... ________________________________________ Signichaaaaaaar! |
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Posted 12th Jan 2012 at 10:08
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #62
thugpuggin wrote: mattgti6phase2 wrote: That 205 has got to be more the 500bhp/tonne that is veyron levels of quickness Sadly a shitty old French hatch wouldn't appeal to those that could afford one of those so I think the sale to the wealthy is unlikely.I'd buy it if I was wealthy, I would park it next to my bently and lambo ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 12th Jan 2012 at 10:21
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bennn
Seasoned Pro  Location: Shrewsbury Registered: 05 Sep 2008 Posts: 2,705 Status: Offline |
Post #63
magpie2130 wrote: Yeah unless you care for them. No worse that an uncared for rallye. Well it is worse than an uncared for rallye isnt it? Look at coskev's Evo build thread, he scrapped the first one cause it was so rotten underneath and I've yet to hear of a GTI-6 / Rallye being scrapped due to rot. ________________________________________ Cherry Red 306 HDIChampionship White Integra DC5 Type R |
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Posted 12th Jan 2012 at 10:36
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #64
bennn wrote: magpie2130 wrote: Yeah unless you care for them. No worse that an uncared for rallye. Well it is worse than an uncared for rallye isnt it? Look at coskev's Evo build thread, he scrapped the first one cause it was so rotten underneath and I've yet to hear of a GTI-6 / Rallye being scrapped due to rot. never saw CUJ's dead wallye then  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 12th Jan 2012 at 11:32
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #65
don't think we should be slagging it off as its a good achievment and obviously very quick in its own field. i recon my 205 would be quicker around a circuit but its built for that whereas it isnt built for drag strips etc.although that kind of power isnt usable properly in a 205.... ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 12th Jan 2012 at 17:04
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cress87
Seasoned Pro  Location: Norwich Registered: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 11,360 Status: Offline |
Post #66
I never said you could build that car for £13,000 or that the workmanship was crap. That does not automatically make it a bargain though. £13,000 is far too much for a 205, unless it is an immaculate T16 or something with some history and pedigree. A turbocharged car knocked up by somebody in a garage is another matter. £13,000 buys you a lot of car elsewhere. Besides, speed isn't everything. And if it is, why not save £10,000 and buy a used Yamaha R1 which will still be faster? ________________________________________ You feed beefburgers to swans. I may have been speeding Mr Policeman but [a] I live for the 306 and [b] did you see that dog? omfg |
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Posted 12th Jan 2012 at 17:10
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jim01uk
Seasoned Pro  Location: around Registered: 16 Dec 2005 Posts: 8,996 Status: Offline |
Post #67
robbbbb wrote: mattgti6phase2 wrote: magpie2130 wrote: I'm not jealous & it's no doubt a monster but it's still at the end of it all a 205. If you wanted to go that fast for less buy an Evo I don't know of any evo in standard form that would be anywhere neat as fast as that 205????? Evos are heavy and hard to extract power from unless you spend big money as the engines are already highly stressed. My mate has an fq360 and in order to pull any more power out of it he needs new conrod bolts amongst other bits. Your talking £££££££££££££££££££££££ FYI your talking £2-3k of mods for a 400/400 car, beyond that as with most other turbo engines, forged internals and a massive turbo will see you up to 1000hp if you wish (and funds permit) just saying..... 400/400 is a piece of p*ss to get on the 8MR and above, as the pistons and hotside of the turbo are already good enough for it. Full 3" exhaust, fuel pump, HKS filter and a remap was all mine had, and it made 405/399 IIRC. Less than £1000 in work.  |
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Posted 12th Jan 2012 at 17:25
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birk
Seasoned Pro  Location: Doncaster Registered: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 7,032 Status: Offline |
Post #68
I bet Matt will be happy with the publicity this thread is giving lolMy high boost did a 13.1 at the drag, exactly the same as my mates standard ish Evo 4 ________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo = Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
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Posted 12th Jan 2012 at 17:39
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mattgti6phase2
Seasoned Pro Location: inside my 6 abusing the tarmac!! Registered: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 2,371 Status: Offline |
Post #69
birk wrote: I bet Matt will be happy with the publicity this thread is giving lol My high boost did a 13.1 at the drag, exactly the same as my mates standard ish Evo 4 Your must be epic though after it's stopped spinning?? ________________________________________ Team Nile 6Team: 40.2 MPG 5 x a 306 owner! currently abusing type r's in a town near you ™ I truely live for the 306 ® Build date: 29th October 1997 Wednesday's car midweek madness |
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Posted 12th Jan 2012 at 17:43
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info@pug1off.com
Newbie  Location: Brackley Registered: 24 Sep 2011 Posts: 46 Status: Offline |
Post #70
To sum up:-The roll cage is bolt-in as it can then be removed for the drag strip, this also prevents from welding in a seat belt bar as we have on other cars, the OMP cage is actually pretty rigid and bolts to the B-posts and roof at the front hoop. -As the belts are adjusted individually there will be equal tension on both straps and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this positioning! -Our 206bhp 106 is very light and consistant at Santa pod with a PB of 13.2 perhaps high 12's if you got some drag tyres and worked very hard but that's still, as someone mentioned previously, at least 1.5 seconds and around 25-30mph slower across the line. -The car does put the power down very well, even in the wet and I would welcome forum members to come and look around the car and come for a drive as I think you have to be in it to believe how well the progressive boost works. -The car lost oil pressure at FCS 2010 due to someone who thought it would be funny to add a piece of ally to the head via the oil cap whilst on show, this removed the oil chain when it travelled into the crankcase and I lost the crank/block and rods plus a cracked lifter. (Back on the road for Pugfest 2 weeks later.) -In 2010 I did hit the wall gently at Adenau on our Nurburgring trip, the car was built to be used! The car drove back and won USC 2 weeks later. Considering its 3 times its original bhp I think its been pretty reliable since its release in April 2009. PS: Thank you to the guys with positive messages. ________________________________________ N/A XU10J4RS = 302.1 bhp / 184.2 lb.ftTurbo XU10J4RS = 500.2 bhp / 443 lb.ft USC 2011 Double Class winners N/A FWD 0-60 winners at TRAX 2011 Developers, stockists and installers of superior upgrades for the Peugeot 306 GTi6 & Rallye, including:- *NEW!!!!! 4.8:1 final drive for BE3/6 *BBM Group N engine mounts *Cat Cams and vernier pulleys *Emerald ECU's *Jenvey throttle bodies *Uprated gear linkages and short shifts *Quaife & Tran-X LSD's for BE3/6 *Tar-Ox brake discs and Ferodo DS2500 pads *Solid rear beam mounts *21-25mm torsion bars *25mm rear anti roll bars |
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Posted 12th Jan 2012 at 21:45
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info@pug1off.com
Newbie Location: Brackley Registered: 24 Sep 2011 Posts: 46 Status: Offline |
Post #71
At the 1/8 mile i was doing 103mph after 7.3 seconds, I have been told that this is second only to a Veyron by .1ish but you may wish to check that.The car has been set up for track use and has had 2.5k spent on suspension. please watch the video on youtube of the nurburgring lap. I dont claim to be a very good circuit driver but I think it shows the cars potential. ________________________________________ N/A XU10J4RS = 302.1 bhp / 184.2 lb.ftTurbo XU10J4RS = 500.2 bhp / 443 lb.ft USC 2011 Double Class winners N/A FWD 0-60 winners at TRAX 2011 Developers, stockists and installers of superior upgrades for the Peugeot 306 GTi6 & Rallye, including:- *NEW!!!!! 4.8:1 final drive for BE3/6 *BBM Group N engine mounts *Cat Cams and vernier pulleys *Emerald ECU's *Jenvey throttle bodies *Uprated gear linkages and short shifts *Quaife & Tran-X LSD's for BE3/6 *Tar-Ox brake discs and Ferodo DS2500 pads *Solid rear beam mounts *21-25mm torsion bars *25mm rear anti roll bars |
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Posted 12th Jan 2012 at 21:53
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darkgti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bracknell Registered: 07 Jun 2008 Posts: 1,361 Status: Offline |
Post #72
info@pug1off.com wrote: The car lost oil pressure at FCS 2010 due to someone who thought it would be funny to add a piece of ally to the head via the oil cap whilst on show, this removed the oil chain when it travelled into the crankcase and I lost the crank/block and rods plus a cracked lifter. (Back on the road for Pugfest 2 weeks later.) How *untish is that! You put all that effort in and some ars*hole comes along and did that. If I ever saw anyone doing anything like that id definetly stand up in court as a witness. ________________________________________ Team Peugeot Sport 308 Gti�Black T'99 Gti - may she rest in peace - written off in a shunt on the A329m |
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Posted 12th Jan 2012 at 22:03
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magpie2130
Junior User Location: milton keynes Registered: 26 Oct 2010 Posts: 70 Status: Offline |
Post #73
info@pug1off.com wrote: -The car lost oil pressure at FCS 2010 due to someone who thought it would be funny to add a piece of ally to the head via the oil cap whilst on show, this removed the oil chain when it travelled into the crankcase and I lost the crank/block and rods plus a cracked lifter. (Back on the road for Pugfest 2 weeks later.). PS: Thank you to the guys with positive messages. Yeah that's proper arse like. That solves that, thanks for clearing it up. ________________________________________ Team RallyeTeam Cover Car 3 Stripes + 6 Gears = Fun |
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Posted 12th Jan 2012 at 23:13
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yippeekayay
Seasoned Pro  Location: wilts Registered: 27 Oct 2008 Posts: 4,144 Status: Offline |
Post #74
as i stated I do love this car but fair comments from its justified proud owner and site sponsor... Get used to the stick though, theres plenty of spanners on here who will knock anything, including me, its banter and better than tv half the time. Ultimately theres a community on here that you can rely on take the p*ss have the p*ss taken etc, I have gained far more from this site than i could give it back. I cant believe what kind of a muppet would do something like that to your engine but I hope they rot in hell. glwts ps werent you something to do with cupra sport, sbg a few years ago??? ________________________________________ 306 less for first time in nearly 7 years. Lets keep it that way... please refuse any offers i make to buy your 306 ( doctors letter supplied by request)Marmite and cheese sandwiches anyone??? Burns and Mcrae will be forever missed. x box "yippeekayaymofo" |
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Posted 12th Jan 2012 at 23:27
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robbbbb
Seasoned Pro Location: Everywhere Registered: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,831 Status: Offline |
Post #75
jim01uk wrote: robbbbb wrote: mattgti6phase2 wrote: magpie2130 wrote: I'm not jealous & it's no doubt a monster but it's still at the end of it all a 205. If you wanted to go that fast for less buy an Evo I don't know of any evo in standard form that would be anywhere neat as fast as that 205????? Evos are heavy and hard to extract power from unless you spend big money as the engines are already highly stressed. My mate has an fq360 and in order to pull any more power out of it he needs new conrod bolts amongst other bits. Your talking £££££££££££££££££££££££ FYI your talking £2-3k of mods for a 400/400 car, beyond that as with most other turbo engines, forged internals and a massive turbo will see you up to 1000hp if you wish (and funds permit) just saying..... 400/400 is a piece of p*ss to get on the 8MR and above, as the pistons and hotside of the turbo are already good enough for it. Full 3" exhaust, fuel pump, HKS filter and a remap was all mine had, and it made 405/399 IIRC. Less than £1000 in work. Indeed, I cammed mine at the same time hence the extra cash Just tickles me when people claim to be experts because 'my mate has one' lol________________________________________ Signichaaaaaaar! |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 08:31
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