Post #76
lol at being compared to a veyron, which is a full second faster over the 1/4.________________________________________
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 welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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info@pug1off.com
Newbie  Location: Brackley Registered: 24 Sep 2011 Posts: 46 Status: Offline |
Post #77
Its ok I know how it goes!________________________________________ N/A XU10J4RS = 302.1 bhp / 184.2 lb.ftTurbo XU10J4RS = 500.2 bhp / 443 lb.ft USC 2011 Double Class winners N/A FWD 0-60 winners at TRAX 2011 Developers, stockists and installers of superior upgrades for the Peugeot 306 GTi6 & Rallye, including:- *NEW!!!!! 4.8:1 final drive for BE3/6 *BBM Group N engine mounts *Cat Cams and vernier pulleys *Emerald ECU's *Jenvey throttle bodies *Uprated gear linkages and short shifts *Quaife & Tran-X LSD's for BE3/6 *Tar-Ox brake discs and Ferodo DS2500 pads *Solid rear beam mounts *21-25mm torsion bars *25mm rear anti roll bars |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 16:23
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
Post #78
welshpug! wrote: lol at being compared to a veyron, which is a full second faster over the 1/4. You compared it to a 106 that would be further behind this 205 than the 205 would be off a Veyron though if the figures are right so whats the difference  Imo comparing this to a car that costs as much as a Veyron, is 4 wheel drive as far as I know and has in the region of 1000Bhp iirc is a bit crazy but with all the other comparisons people are making and if the figure Matt has posted for 1/8th mile time is right it deserves to be compared with one as that's one hell of an achievement by a 205 that to quote someone else "has been knocked up in a garage". This car is a credit to Matt and his company, loads off members on here constantly make digs towards pug1off and I would love to hear some of your reasons to justify it, everyone of their cars I have ever looked over look to be built to the same very high standard and having spoke to Matt in person I'd also say he seemed a genuine guy who ceratinly knows a hell of a lot about pugs. ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 16:42
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
Post #79
rallyeash wrote: This car would beat you with ease on any circuit twice your power and torque your car is good for circuits but you have no chance against this so please dont kid yourself don't think we should be slagging it off as its a good achievment and obviously very quick in its own field. i recon my 205 would be quicker around a circuit but its built for that whereas it isnt built for drag strips etc. although that kind of power isnt usable properly in a 205.... ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 17:29
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yippeekayay
Seasoned Pro  Location: wilts Registered: 27 Oct 2008 Posts: 4,144 Status: Offline |
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Whatever happened to the std carbed gti6 engine with 220hpv ashs tb modified lump never mind the turbo v ash.________________________________________ 306 less for first time in nearly 7 years. Lets keep it that way... please refuse any offers i make to buy your 306 ( doctors letter supplied by request)Marmite and cheese sandwiches anyone??? Burns and Mcrae will be forever missed. x box "yippeekayaymofo" |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 17:32
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mattgti6phase2
Seasoned Pro  Location: inside my 6 abusing the tarmac!! Registered: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 2,371 Status: Offline |
Post #81
robbbbb wrote: jim01uk wrote: robbbbb wrote: mattgti6phase2 wrote: magpie2130 wrote: I'm not jealous & it's no doubt a monster but it's still at the end of it all a 205. If you wanted to go that fast for less buy an Evo I don't know of any evo in standard form that would be anywhere neat as fast as that 205????? Evos are heavy and hard to extract power from unless you spend big money as the engines are already highly stressed. My mate has an fq360 and in order to pull any more power out of it he needs new conrod bolts amongst other bits. Your talking £££££££££££££££££££££££ FYI your talking £2-3k of mods for a 400/400 car, beyond that as with most other turbo engines, forged internals and a massive turbo will see you up to 1000hp if you wish (and funds permit) just saying..... 400/400 is a piece of p*ss to get on the 8MR and above, as the pistons and hotside of the turbo are already good enough for it. Full 3" exhaust, fuel pump, HKS filter and a remap was all mine had, and it made 405/399 IIRC. Less than £1000 in work.  Indeed, I cammed mine at the same time hence the extra cash Just tickles me when people claim to be experts because 'my mate has one' lolLet me guess you know more pipe down! Either which way I'm saying it all costs money!________________________________________ Team Nile 6 Team: 40.2 MPG  5 x a 306 owner! currently abusing type r's in a town near you ™  I truely live for the 306 ® Build date: 29th October 1997 Wednesday's car midweek madness  |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 17:38
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matty_rallye
Senior User  Location: Devizes Registered: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 966 Status: Offline |
Post #82
Very impressive car, i doubt you could go much quicker in a straight line for that kind of money.Also i would imagine that the main point of the car is to show what the company is capable of, which i think it does well! b11 bob wrote: rallyeash wrote: This car would beat you with ease on any circuit twice your power and torque your car is good for circuits but you have no chance against this so please dont kid yourself don't think we should be slagging it off as its a good achievment and obviously very quick in its own field. i recon my 205 would be quicker around a circuit but its built for that whereas it isnt built for drag strips etc. although that kind of power isnt usable properly in a 205.... I regularly watch cars n/a 106's with 230bhp lap quicker than turbo cars with 450 bhp at Castle Combe, which is a circuit with lots of straights! So please dont kid yourself ________________________________________ 2.1 16v 306 Rallye. |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 20:29
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mabgti
NV motors  Location: Bham tunnel @7400rpm Registered: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 9,127 Status: Offline |
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pugheaven wrote: That's probably down to the boost controller, if he has the gizzmo ms ibc you can set torque and power per gear and per rpm, if it was on full boost in 1st n 2nd it would never get grip! You can use a high boost supercharged car as a daily driver, I bet this would get on your tits big time if used as a daily car! Ms ibc hasnt got a boost/gear setting.. the ms(multi scramble) is just an overboost condition at the press of a button. It is intelligent and has closed loop function which keeps it smooth. Nice project car here, and as any modified car. Its only worth what the buyer wants to pay for it. In my opinion its a well priced super hatch. But apart from another trader i dont see a civilian spending that much money on something for the weekend which is 20years old. A supercharged 6 will be more desirable and also practical. But thats the problem, everyone wants a super quick everyday car. ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6NV Motorsport Automotive Performance Tuning 0121 448 7515 ECU Remapping/ DPF removal VAG/BMW Diag and Option Coding Peugeot Planet ECU coding/transponder programming etc www.nvmotorsport.com Facebook Page Project S6 |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 20:49
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mabgti
NV motors Location: Bham tunnel @7400rpm Registered: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 9,127 Status: Offline |
Post #84
magpie2130 wrote: info@pug1off.com wrote: -The car lost oil pressure at FCS 2010 due to someone who thought it would be funny to add a piece of ally to the head via the oil cap whilst on show, this removed the oil chain when it travelled into the crankcase and I lost the crank/block and rods plus a cracked lifter. (Back on the road for Pugfest 2 weeks later.). PS: Thank you to the guys with positive messages. Yeah that's proper arse like. That solves that, thanks for clearing it up. Was this found out by cctv? I mean.. after all that damage how do you find a stray piece of alloy? ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6NV Motorsport Automotive Performance Tuning 0121 448 7515 ECU Remapping/ DPF removal VAG/BMW Diag and Option Coding Peugeot Planet ECU coding/transponder programming etc www.nvmotorsport.com Facebook Page Project S6 |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 20:54
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magpie2130
Junior User  Location: milton keynes Registered: 26 Oct 2010 Posts: 70 Status: Offline |
Post #85
ryangti6 wrote: welshpug! wrote: lol at being compared to a veyron, which is a full second faster over the 1/4. This car is a credit to Matt and his company, loads off members on here constantly make digs towards pug1off and I would love to hear some of your reasons to justify it, everyone of their cars I have ever looked over look to be built to the same very high standard and having spoke to Matt in person I'd also say he seemed a genuine guy who ceratinly knows a hell of a lot about pugs. Not saying pug1off are crap with the cars they build, you've go to respect them, they pushed the limit of pugs But I've paid money for work. It sucked, we had issues, we sorted issues. I don't like them & tbh Matt probably doesn't like me. ________________________________________ Team RallyeTeam Cover Car 3 Stripes + 6 Gears = Fun |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 21:41
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #86
You are correct mabgti I was thinking of dta ecu's! |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 21:44
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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yippeekayay wrote: 213 hp get it right and dont forget the Dizzy Adaptor, whenever circuit racer is ready ill take him on all day long but if Pug1off turbo 205 wants it i would not even bother twice the power twice the torque no contest theres no GTI6 on here that can put up a contest with it.However theres so many on here willing to make their comments about it Fact is His done a 1/4 mile in 11.2 over 500 hp and torque to match and thats without carbs or a dizzy adaptor Whatever happened to the std carbed gti6 engine with 220hpv ashs tb modified lump never mind the turbo v ash. ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 22:36
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aphyx
Regular  Location: Castle Cary Registered: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 403 Status: Offline |
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I was under the impression that this time was done in the wet? I remember watching the video of the 11.2 time and it being at the very least rather damp?Serious bit of kit and many people will argue its overpriced but who else could build a class beating FWD drag car for that money? ________________________________________ Onward to the Edge! |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 22:43
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matty_rallye
Senior User Location: Devizes Registered: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 966 Status: Offline |
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b11 bob wrote: yippeekayay wrote: 170 hp get it right and dont forget the Dizzy Adaptor, whenever circuit racer is ready ill take him on all day long but if Pug1off turbo 205 wants it i would not even bother twice the power twice the torque no contest theres no GTI6 on here that can put up a contest with it.However theres so many on here willing to make their comments about it Fact is His done a 1/4 mile in 11.2 over 500 hp and torque to match and thats without carbs or a dizzy adaptor Whatever happened to the std carbed gti6 engine with 220hpv ashs tb modified lump never mind the turbo v ash. Corrected ________________________________________ 2.1 16v 306 Rallye. |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 22:48
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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matty_rallye wrote: 170 HP plus Dizzy Adaptor equals 213 hp Correctedb11 bob wrote: yippeekayay wrote: 170 hp get it right and dont forget the Dizzy Adaptor, whenever circuit racer is ready ill take him on all day long but if Pug1off turbo 205 wants it i would not even bother twice the power twice the torque no contest theres no GTI6 on here that can put up a contest with it.However theres so many on here willing to make their comments about it Fact is His done a 1/4 mile in 11.2 over 500 hp and torque to match and thats without carbs or a dizzy adaptor Whatever happened to the std carbed gti6 engine with 220hpv ashs tb modified lump never mind the turbo v ash. Corrected ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 22:56
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
Post #91
matty_rallye wrote: I regularly watch cars n/a 106's with 230bhp lap quicker than turbo cars with 450 bhp at Castle Combe, which is a circuit with lots of straights! So please dont kid yourself The question is what are these cars with 450 Bhp? Not 106's at a guess... You are comparing 2 205's here both of each are equally impressive but one with over double the power and torque, both cars have what should be very good suspension setups with pug1off's being better if you believe what you read about Ast's and both got plenty good enough brakes. I'm sure with an average driver there wouldnt be much difference but I reckon if you put a really good driver in both he'd easily be quicker in the Turbo'd one. Someone said power is nothing without control but a lot of that control comes from the driver so someone that can use the power and control it where needed will be quicker in the faster car. ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 23:01
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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ryangti6 wrote: Im not doubting what you see in castle combe but i doubt it very much if any 205 or 306 with 230 hp could beat Pug1offs like you said hes got a good suspension set up and brakes may not have the balance of a 230 hp 205 but when you got 500 hp and torque to match you can get away with quite a lot.The point about being a good driver comes into play to if you had a good driver in the 230 hp pug he would probally beat the 500 hp pug but the driver of the 500 hp pug would have to be really bad for this to happen.matty_rallye wrote: I regularly watch cars n/a 106's with 230bhp lap quicker than turbo cars with 450 bhp at Castle Combe, which is a circuit with lots of straights! So please dont kid yourself The question is what are these cars with 450 Bhp? Not 106's at a guess... You are comparing 2 205's here both of each are equally impressive but one with over double the power and torque, both cars have what should be very good suspension setups with pug1off's being better if you believe what you read about Ast's and both got plenty good enough brakes. I'm sure with an average driver there wouldnt be much difference but I reckon if you put a really good driver in both he'd easily be quicker in the Turbo'd one. Someone said power is nothing without control but a lot of that control comes from the driver so someone that can use the power and control it where needed will be quicker in the faster car. ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 13th Jan 2012 at 23:23
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mabgti
NV motors Location: Bham tunnel @7400rpm Registered: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 9,127 Status: Offline |
Post #93
I swear these noobs state the frikkin obvious more often than jamma posts a pic of his overly taxed gti6________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6NV Motorsport Automotive Performance Tuning 0121 448 7515 ECU Remapping/ DPF removal VAG/BMW Diag and Option Coding Peugeot Planet ECU coding/transponder programming etc www.nvmotorsport.com Facebook Page Project S6 |
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Posted 14th Jan 2012 at 02:33
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SteviePut
Seasoned Pro  Location: Down south Registered: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 13,637 Status: Offline |
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Not to be labelled as slagging off the car I have merely stated that I'd be surprised if he/they get the asking price for it. There's no doubting that it is a great achievement however 500bhp is nothing new for a 2litre 16V engine with a whacking great turbo and loads of boost - that is a fact IIRC RichW's made over 500 bhp when he originally did his high - high boost but de-tuned it (reduced the boost downwards) because it was almost un-drivable max chat. It would break traction at the top end of 4th gear if my memory serves be right. That in itself must be quite scary And he didn't have the amount of torque said 205 does.At the end of the day what has been achieved is great and the fact it's in a 205, is too. Only time will tell if he/they get what they're asking for it. Saying that, maybe to someone who drag races competitively, it is worth £12k?? Who knows!!  ________________________________________ My old man wrote me a letter from prison once. It said if you don't want to end up in here, stay away from crime, women and drugs. Trouble is, that don't leave you much else to do, does it? |
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Posted 14th Jan 2012 at 05:02
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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SteviePut wrote: I agree it is achiavable 500 hp with big boost but this car seems to put the power down well to get 11.2 1/4 mile time RichW's could not put the power down.Not to be labelled as slagging off the car I have merely stated that I'd be surprised if he/they get the asking price for it. There's no doubting that it is a great achievement however 500bhp is nothing new for a 2litre 16V engine with a whacking great turbo and loads of boost - that is a fact IIRC RichW's made over 500 bhp when he originally did his high - high boost but de-tuned it (reduced the boost downwards) because it was almost un-drivable max chat. It would break traction at the top end of 4th gear if my memory serves be right. That in itself must be quite scary And he didn't have the amount of torque said 205 does.At the end of the day what has been achieved is great and the fact it's in a 205, is too. Only time will tell if he/they get what they're asking for it. Saying that, maybe to someone who drag races competitively, it is worth £12k?? Who knows!! Is this car worth 12k ? i would not give him 12k and i like 205's but someone out there probally will ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 14th Jan 2012 at 07:36
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ballardpaul
Seasoned Pro  Location: Croydon Registered: 22 Jul 2008 Posts: 4,135 Status: Offline |
Post #96
 was in the region of 550bhp and Andys one that's just been built wouldn't be far away from 600bhp turned all the way up. ________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi 6 (Standard) SoldPhase 3 Supercharged China GTi 6 (249.8 BHP) Sold Phase 3 Supercharged Diablo GTi 6 (443 BHP)Sold Nissan 350Z (300 BHP) |
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Posted 14th Jan 2012 at 10:46
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #97
 yawn ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 14th Jan 2012 at 10:54
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CUJ
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southampton Registered: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 22,218 Status: Offline |
Post #98
Recall seeing this at Pugfest '10, I liked it, bit of an animal      ________________________________________ 340 horses |
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Posted 14th Jan 2012 at 12:10
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ballardpaul
Seasoned Pro Location: Croydon Registered: 22 Jul 2008 Posts: 4,135 Status: Offline |
Post #99
I like the intercooler, wish mine was that obvious. ________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi 6 (Standard) SoldPhase 3 Supercharged China GTi 6 (249.8 BHP) Sold Phase 3 Supercharged Diablo GTi 6 (443 BHP)Sold Nissan 350Z (300 BHP) |
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Posted 15th Jan 2012 at 15:29
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
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b11 bob wrote: ryangti6 wrote: Im not doubting what you see in castle combe but i doubt it very much if any 205 or 306 with 230 hp could beat Pug1offs like you said hes got a good suspension set up and brakes may not have the balance of a 230 hp 205 but when you got 500 hp and torque to match you can get away with quite a lot.The point about being a good driver comes into play to if you had a good driver in the 230 hp pug he would probally beat the 500 hp pug but the driver of the 500 hp pug would have to be really bad for this to happen.matty_rallye wrote: I regularly watch cars n/a 106's with 230bhp lap quicker than turbo cars with 450 bhp at Castle Combe, which is a circuit with lots of straights! So please dont kid yourself The question is what are these cars with 450 Bhp? Not 106's at a guess... You are comparing 2 205's here both of each are equally impressive but one with over double the power and torque, both cars have what should be very good suspension setups with pug1off's being better if you believe what you read about Ast's and both got plenty good enough brakes. I'm sure with an average driver there wouldnt be much difference but I reckon if you put a really good driver in both he'd easily be quicker in the Turbo'd one. Someone said power is nothing without control but a lot of that control comes from the driver so someone that can use the power and control it where needed will be quicker in the faster car.  at a recent trackday i had a proper battle with a full race prepped seat leon which is 460-500hp and there was nothing in it. outright headline power figures arent everything either. An evo that used to race in a local series dropped the power down a couple of hundred hp and laptimes were quicker as a result. im not taking anything away from this car as it is a beast. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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