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domg

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Nothing against them really but I have been doing track days for a while now and mainly go out with a small group of people. So what do they drive.....well lets go through them:

Red E36 328 BMW
Green E36 328 BMW
Blue E36 328 BMW
Yellow E36 M3 BMW
White E36 M3 BMW
Blue E36 M3 BMW
Black E46 M3 BMW
Renault Clio V6 Trophy.......................................but thinking of buying an M3!

Think I need new friends LOL or a BMW......Ninja

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Posted 12th Nov 2011 at 19:28
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binkagti

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How do you guys compare on track. Always looked at e36 m3 as a swap

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Posted 12th Nov 2011 at 21:54
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Clio v6 mmm love the look of these, what are they like on the track?

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Posted 12th Nov 2011 at 22:02
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wilyoldave wrote:
Clio v6 mmm love the look of these, what are they like on the track?


Not very quick. They are so lairy, that an average driver would be quicker in a normal 182 clio.

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Posted 12th Nov 2011 at 23:24
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No such thing as a Clio V6 Trophy mate,epic fail Laugh my ass off
Posted 13th Nov 2011 at 03:34
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Trophy is on a different line, different car I reckon. Smile

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wilyoldave wrote:
Clio v6 mmm love the look of these, what are they like on the track?


I had one behind me at Rockingham for FCS, I let it past as thought it would be quicker, then it went straight off the track at the next corner Laugh

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Posted 13th Nov 2011 at 14:46
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I remember watching that. Lol

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Posted 13th Nov 2011 at 14:54
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domg

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roland rat wrote:
No such thing as a Clio V6 Trophy mate,epic fail Laugh my ass off


Roland someone has 'epic failed' and yes it is a full blown race car Roll eyes

My 306 parked next to my mates V6 'trophy'



.....and a close up of his 'trophy' Razz

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Posted 13th Nov 2011 at 20:16
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domg

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binkagti wrote:
How do you guys compare on track. Always looked at e36 m3 as a swap


The 328's are about equal in performance but they are all heavily modded and lightened. The M3's are a different league but again all lightened and on slicks so hard to compare. I think the 306 holds up well to be honest and I will be interested to see how far off it is once I strip it out and run slicks.

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Posted 13th Nov 2011 at 20:21
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e36 328 same performance as what? a gti6? yes, not an m3 No

had an e36 evo and an e46 m3 and the e36 m3 will run rings around the 328's in every department all day. oh and they're ~7 seconds quicker to 100mph so definitely a 'bit quicker' Wink

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Posted 13th Nov 2011 at 22:07
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domg

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e36 328 same performance as what? a gti6? yes, not an m3 No

had an e36 evo and an e46 m3 and the e36 m3 will run rings around the 328's in every department all day. oh and they're ~7 seconds quicker to 100mph so definitely a 'bit quicker' Wink


Totally agree as I said the M3 is in a different league very quick i would never replace my 6 with a 328 as they are no quicker, even the modded ones. It is strange how the ones who have purchased 328's seem to think they can get M3 performance on the cheap when an M3 isnt even that expensive.

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Posted 13th Nov 2011 at 22:14
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I thought the "Clio Trophy" as the race series the V6 clios raced in?

If i am wrong then i stand corrected! Blush
Posted 13th Nov 2011 at 23:45
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domg

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I thought the "Clio Trophy" as the race series the V6 clios raced in?

If i am wrong then i stand corrected! Blush


I will have to check with my mate but I think the V6 trophy was built before the V6 road car and only about 130ish were made. They have a numbered plaque, again I think this is the case, which says Clio Trophy No *** and they were not road registered (No lights for a start). My mates has lights because it was converted at some point into an endurance racer. It sounds fantastic but isn't that fast as the series had sealed engines and ECU's, in fact he has a modified phase one (See below) which was quicker until a bit of 'coming together' with a lamp post.


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Posted 14th Nov 2011 at 21:31
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that yellow "trophy" is supercharged is it not??

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Posted 14th Nov 2011 at 22:09
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roland rat wrote:
No such thing as a Clio V6 Trophy mate,epic fail Laugh my ass off


epic dickwad. Thumbs up
Posted 14th Nov 2011 at 22:17
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domg

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that yellow "trophy" is supercharged is it not??


Nope, this one is on throttle bodies.

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Posted 14th Nov 2011 at 22:24
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jon kirby

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i would never replace my 6 with a 328 as they are no quicker


What?, your joking right, maybe not round everyones favourite "twisties" but in everyday driving they a fair bit quicker and soooooo much smoother with much better torque and power delivery, all in my opinion of course, but UPGRADING (as it was) from a gti6 to a 328i was an easy choice for me.

Some of you fanboi gti6 owners really do need to have a reality check i'm afraid Wink
Posted 15th Nov 2011 at 09:47
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techdw

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domg wrote:
roland rat wrote:
No such thing as a Clio V6 Trophy mate,epic fail Laugh my ass off


Roland someone has 'epic failed' and yes it is a full blown race car Roll eyes

My 306 parked next to my mates V6 'trophy'



.....and a close up of his 'trophy' Razz



I think Clio's are girls car, but this is the best looking Clio I have seen mate. Cool
Posted 15th Nov 2011 at 09:59
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mattgti6phase2

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jon kirby wrote:
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i would never replace my 6 with a 328 as they are no quicker


What?, your joking right, maybe not round everyones favourite "twisties" but in everyday driving they a fair bit quicker and soooooo much smoother with much better torque and power delivery, all in my opinion of course, but UPGRADING (as it was) from a gti6 to a 328i was an easy choice for me.

Some of you fanboi gti6 owners really do need to have a reality check i'm afraid Wink


Are you sure about yourself?? 328s are not as fast at all they are dog slow for what they are. I shit all over my mates 328 all day long. look at the difference between the 325 and 328 1bhp difference wtf???!!!??

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Posted 15th Nov 2011 at 14:11
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jon kirby

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Dear oh dear, by chance you don't own an i-phone do you?

Do you know why the 328i only has 1bhp more than the 325i?, any ideas what happens if a 325i tb and intake manifold is fitted to a 328i?

You p*ss all over your mates 328i's? hmmmm interesting

gti6 has half the torque of a 328i and whilst your trying to get maximum power screaming the nuts of it at 5500 rpm to get 145Nm I've comfortably doubled that by 4000rpm, it's not all about bhp you know!

Anyway like I said, it's a none argument, a gti-6 is a great car which is why I had mine for 6 whole years but the bm is on completely a different level i'm afraid

p.s. your mates 328I?, which one is it?
Posted 15th Nov 2011 at 17:15
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Of course the OP is on about track, in which case maybe the 6 is an equal?

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Posted 15th Nov 2011 at 17:29
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mattgti6phase2

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jon kirby wrote:
Dear oh dear, by chance you don't own an i-phone do you?

Do you know why the 328i only has 1bhp more than the 325i?, any ideas what happens if a 325i tb and intake manifold is fitted to a 328i?

You p*ss all over your mates 328i's? hmmmm interesting

gti6 has half the torque of a 328i and whilst your trying to get maximum power screaming the nuts of it at 5500 rpm to get 145Nm I've comfortably doubled that by 4000rpm, it's not all about bhp you know!

Anyway like I said, it's a none argument, a gti-6 is a great car which is why I had mine for 6 whole years but the bm is on completely a different level i'm afraid

p.s. your mates 328I?, which one is it?


It's the E36 328. The 6 doesnt have less than half the torque at all 63ftlbs less, and the BMW only produces it peak torque 1500rpm earlier, that coupled to it's weight issue and 2bhp/tonne difference makes for no difference at all. Therefore both in standard form there is little or no difference.

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Posted 15th Nov 2011 at 18:47
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jon kirby wrote:
Dear oh dear, by chance you don't own an i-phone do you?

Do you know why the 328i only has 1bhp more than the 325i?, any ideas what happens if a 325i tb and intake manifold is fitted to a 328i?

You p*ss all over your mates 328i's? hmmmm interesting

gti6 has half the torque of a 328i and whilst your trying to get maximum power screaming the nuts of it at 5500 rpm to get 145Nm I've comfortably doubled that by 4000rpm, it's not all about bhp you know!

Anyway like I said, it's a none argument, a gti-6 is a great car which is why I had mine for 6 whole years but the bm is on completely a different level i'm afraid

p.s. your mates 328I?, which one is it?


I can pass 328's on accelaration in my Rallye,not easily but get pastThumbs up

They then pass me at circa 130mph,but again not easilyThumbs down

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