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 mark t
Junior User  Location: Wantage Registered: 28 Feb 2011 Posts: 93 Status: Offline |
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Hi guys, just wondering where to start with suspension mods on my 6. I've heard that deleting the passive rear steer is a good place to start, but then should I change the ARB for a hybrid one then put on some billies or will the rear ARB only be a real benifit once the dampers have been changed?Thanks |
 Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 00:33
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davedgti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: whiston, prescot Registered: 28 May 2006 Posts: 1,651 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Depends on your budget and what you are going to use the car for, track or road________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6™ |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 00:42
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lammylama
Regular  Location: godstone Registered: 17 Nov 2009 Posts: 228 Status: Offline |
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ive just fitted a hybrid ARB yesterday and its made a hell of a difference....my car is standard apart from this and feels so much better round the bends with far less body roll,car feels like its on rails already and this is just the beginning of my suspension mods.Would defo recommend the hybrid mate.Im waiting on solid rear mounts and roller bearing wishbone bushes for the front too so will keep you posted mate!! |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 00:47
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mark t
Junior User Location: Wantage Registered: 28 Feb 2011 Posts: 93 Status: Offline |
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Good stuff. I'm fairly handy, so I'll make the majority of the things. Solid rear mounts wont be a problem and I've plans for some rose jointed front wishbones.I'm not going to go to mental on spending money as it's not going to be my actual track car, but I want it to handle well whilst my main project is built. I dont think 150-200 is unreasonable for an ARB if it means I dont bin my 6 through lift off oversteer. Had some very interesting moments in previous 306's |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 00:57
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hovis16
Seasoned Pro  Location: Reading/parts for sale Registered: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 4,304 Status: Offline |
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not going mental????? rose jointed wishbones hahahahahah 500quid please________________________________________ Ph2 Black GTI 6!EX black 6 owner But now a Black caged rallye owner Hunting for Go faster bits! SEARCH click here |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 03:16
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mark t
Junior User Location: Wantage Registered: 28 Feb 2011 Posts: 93 Status: Offline |
Post #6
Lol. Making them myself  going to be based on the originals. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 03:32
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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tbh, just make sure the dampers and bushes aren't knackered then leave it well alone if its not your main project, they handle well enough to have lots of fun as standard.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 03:39
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mark t
Junior User Location: Wantage Registered: 28 Feb 2011 Posts: 93 Status: Offline |
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lammylama wrote: ive just fitted a hybrid ARB yesterday and its made a hell of a difference....my car is standard apart from this and feels so much better round the bends with far less body roll,car feels like its on rails already and this is just the beginning of my suspension mods.Would defo recommend the hybrid mate.Im waiting on solid rear mounts and roller bearing wishbone bushes tou for the front too so will keep you posted mate!! Was it complicated to change the rear arb? Theyre inserted into the beam aren't they? Can it be done with the beam on the car still? Thanks |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 03:42
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mark t
Junior User Location: Wantage Registered: 28 Feb 2011 Posts: 93 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: tbh, just make sure the dampers and bushes aren't knackered then leave it well alone if its not your main project, they handle well enough to have lots of fun as standard. Cheers chap. I just like tinkering, always have the loos thing in the back of my mind. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 03:45
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hovis16
Seasoned Pro Location: Reading/parts for sale Registered: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 4,304 Status: Offline |
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mark t wrote: lammylama wrote: ive just fitted a hybrid ARB yesterday and its made a hell of a difference....my car is standard apart from this and feels so much better round the bends with far less body roll,car feels like its on rails already and this is just the beginning of my suspension mods.Would defo recommend the hybrid mate.Im waiting on solid rear mounts and roller bearing wishbone bushes tou for the front too so will keep you posted mate!! Was it complicated to change the rear arb? Theyre inserted into the beam aren't they? Can it be done with the beam on the car still? Thanks yeap nice and ..... easy wind the ends off pop them on new arb and tada. look at the beam rebuild faq  ________________________________________ Ph2 Black GTI 6!EX black 6 owner But now a Black caged rallye owner Hunting for Go faster bits! SEARCH click here |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 03:48
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mark t
Junior User Location: Wantage Registered: 28 Feb 2011 Posts: 93 Status: Offline |
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Will do ta. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 03:51
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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never had loos in a 306 tbh! you'd have to be pretty unlucky for it to cause any issues.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 03:59
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mark t
Junior User Location: Wantage Registered: 28 Feb 2011 Posts: 93 Status: Offline |
Post #13
I've induced it before and also had the rear end beak loose under heavy cornering (read driving like a tool). Previous experiences have been in dturbo's etc. not experienced it in my 6 yet. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 04:04
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jord294
Seasoned Pro  Location: somewhere in north wales Registered: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,110 Status: Offline |
Post #14
since i re-furbed the rear of my 6, fitted o/e mounts and vts bars and lowered it. the car is extremely planted from recent experience, the whole car seems to turn in a lot quicker than i ever imagined may have something to do with the more rigid front end aswell. thanks to rich_w roller bearing wishbone bushes ________________________________________ FRESHLY RE-FURBISHED GTI BEAMSFITTING AND LOWERING AVAILABLE. ALL AXLES BUILT USING GENUINE PEUGEOT PARTS IF I'M NOT HERE, IT ONLY MEANS ONE THING.... I'M SOMEWHERE ELSE! |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 04:35
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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mark t wrote: I've induced it before and also had the rear end beak loose under heavy cornering (read driving like a tool). Previous experiences have been in dturbo's etc. not experienced it in my 6 yet. Word to the wise, anything you do to improve front end response or grip, particularly big improvements on turn in, will increase the chance of oversteer. So plan your mods to compliment eachother, if you are worried, sort the back end first, then improve the front later. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 14:24
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mark t
Junior User Location: Wantage Registered: 28 Feb 2011 Posts: 93 Status: Offline |
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Cheers chap, makes perfect sence. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 14:44
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iplay
Seasoned Pro  Location: Number Wang Registered: 18 May 2006 Posts: 3,268 Status: Offline |
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lammylama wrote: ive just fitted a hybrid ARB yesterday and its made a hell of a difference....my car is standard apart from this and feels so much better round the bends with far less body roll,car feels like its on rails already and this is just the beginning of my suspension mods.Would defo recommend the hybrid mate.Im waiting on solid rear mounts and roller bearing wishbone bushes for the front too so will keep you posted mate!! new OEM setup feels like it is on rails ... correctly setup the rear passive steering is simply amazing. sadly most cars 10 years+ have dropped and this affects the rear passive setup. a quick stab on the accelerator pedal and the back flicks round. the only time an OEM system is not so good is on a tight S chicane ... although you can exit well on the first corner that the transfer of weight to opposite lock for the second corner is hardly stressing the rear bushes. with new components any corner any speed comes to mind. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 14:45
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mark t
Junior User Location: Wantage Registered: 28 Feb 2011 Posts: 93 Status: Offline |
Post #18
How do you mean by correctly set up. Back to oe tollerance? |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 17:08
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bellcp306td
Regular  Location: Bedlington Registered: 10 Aug 2009 Posts: 166 Status: Offline |
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like said depends on your cash flow but Ash's hybrid ARB all the way.________________________________________ Where did the road go!Chris |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 20:18
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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mark t wrote: How do you mean by correctly set up. Back to oe tollerance? New standard bushes and mounts, standard ride height (most important factor to make the passive rear steer geometry work really is ride height) even standard sized wheels and tyres. But none of the above floats my boat TBH, stiff, responsive and outright grippy anyday of the week, standard cars feel like they are on tip-toes to me and rather unsettlingly disconnected, and all that rubber between you and the roadwheels just adds to that felling. Most on here seem to love it though, must have a rubber fetish or something...  ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 22:26
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #21
Better weld that horrible floaty suspension stuff up on each corner then  ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 21:29
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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phillipm wrote: Better weld that horrible floaty suspension stuff up on each corner then You don't even recognise it as suspension unless it's twin shock and sporting at least a foot of free travel, not including sag   ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 21st Mar 2011 at 22:27
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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Hey, it's not my fault you lot have under a foot  ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 22nd Mar 2011 at 00:14
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berger
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bathurst Registered: 26 Oct 2008 Posts: 1,068 Status: Offline |
Post #24
The advantage of standard suspension is you can travel at speed down a B road without worrying about your fillings coming out.OK you lose 10% of the ability on track, but its a 100% gain on the road performance! Negate the difference on track by never lifting off ________________________________________ Bang'in 7 gram rocks!I have one gear, GO! |
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Posted 22nd Mar 2011 at 01:06
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mark t
Junior User Location: Wantage Registered: 28 Feb 2011 Posts: 93 Status: Offline |
Post #25
Lol. Good attitude to have. Unfortunately with age my balls seem to be getting smaller. Either that or i'm getting wiser... Actually no chance of that! |
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Posted 22nd Mar 2011 at 01:40
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