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phillipm

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Post #76
Me an' cooper spend feckin' ages trying to get that brace as tight as possible whilst still leaving enough room for those engines with old, tired mounts.
And yet yours looks like you could drive a bus through the gap on some of those pictures, must be the angle Doh LOL

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Posted 28th Apr 2011 at 03:31
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Post #77
Where did you get the rubber intake flex hose from?
Posted 28th Apr 2011 at 04:53
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Post #78
That was a good read fella. I like all the little trick bits you have on there.

I miss my Rallye. Sad

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Posted 28th Apr 2011 at 11:16
prism7guy

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I got the intake flex hose from Hose Depot Direct Ltd, I'm not 100% sure on its cost as i bought a load of different hose and have lost the receipt Doh
01302 746969 if you want to call them, if you tell them that Steve bought some for a 306 the other day they should be able to remember which stuff i got, it may be about 62mm or so ID.

I do want to get rid of the cowling and get a couple of Spal slimline fans but i'm on such a tight budget now that i cant justify it before i go to the 'ring in 6 weeks Sad
It's something that i will be doing in the near future though.

Yeah there does look to be a lot of clearance in the photo's Phil, i'll have a gander in a bit to see if there is actually as much as it looks or if its all just angles tricking us in the photos.

Cheers Si, Your project has been a good read too Smile

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Posted 28th Apr 2011 at 15:22
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Well after trying to fit the oil coolers in with the standard shroud there was no way i could squeeze them in there without hacking large amounts of the bumper away. I did some measurements and there was around 30 to 50mm dead space where the air con radiator used to be, but not enough to mount the oil radiators so i have decided to skint myself once again and get some 10" Spal pushers. I'm going to mount the oil radiators 70mm away from the radiator which will allow for the ~52mm width of the slim fans.

Just got to find a supplier of the Spal fans i want for a reasonable price now, i've seen the ones i want for £53 +VAT each, but it would mean waiting for delivery and i'm impatient LOL
I'm heading to a kit car show at the weekend so i will see if i can source some there for a reasonable price.

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Posted 28th Apr 2011 at 20:09
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Post #81
Oil radiators fitted, slam panel back on, headlights back in, grille back on, bumper back on.
Gearbox oil filled to the level, engine oil in, brakes bled.
Almost finished the front end for now, just needs coolant and a quick once over then thats that done, then i'll buy and fit some fans at the weekend.

Not much left now to get it running, a bit of wiring for the killswitch, a few holes to drill to mount the battery tray and its ready for a test start Cool

Beer o'clock now though Cheers

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Posted 29th Apr 2011 at 01:25
phillipm

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prism7guy wrote:

Just got to find a supplier of the Spal fans i want for a reasonable price now, i've seen the ones i want for £53 +VAT each, but it would mean waiting for delivery and i'm impatient LOL
I'm heading to a kit car show at the weekend so i will see if i can source some there for a reasonable price.


The curved blade own-brand ones CBS sell are pretty damned good.

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Posted 29th Apr 2011 at 02:21
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Hmm
I've already emailed them to see if they can take some spal ones with them, if not then i'll just get their own brand as i had already seen them on their online store. I've spoke to those guys at the show the last couple of years and they seem decent guys.

Pictures from todays work:
IMG_0981 by Steve Count, on Flickr
IMG_0985 by Steve Count, on Flickr

I wanted to do 90* to 90* in the middle with just a small section of hose joining them but due to the length of the fittings the radiators would have had to be too far apart, or i would have had to chop the fittings down a bit, neither of those options appealed to me so i just used the 45* ones i had and did a loop LOL

I forgot to get a picture with all the bodywork back in place but im pretty happy with the position of the radiators, just debating whether to spray them black for the stealthier look or not.

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nice update Smile

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Posted 29th Apr 2011 at 06:50
tvrfan007

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Post #85
Nice update again fella. Really makes me jealous that my progression is zilch. Laugh

Gives me something to read at work. Whistle

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Posted 29th Apr 2011 at 16:24
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6 weeks today and we will be in France on route to de ring Devil

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Posted 29th Apr 2011 at 17:25
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ja ja ja Hyper

Cheers for the compliments guys Smile

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Posted 29th Apr 2011 at 17:25
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Post #88
Will a normal jubilee be able to hold the pipes on when under pressure?

Might want a small mikalor clamp?

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Posted 29th Apr 2011 at 19:30
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Post #89
Or just get paul to use proper connections now you know the position, metal shrounds that clamp onto the hose, went and got some today steve for my new cooler Smile

How much you pay in the end for all the pipes and fittings.

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Posted 29th Apr 2011 at 20:47
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^ And make sure they're the round slimline crushed ones rather than the multicrimped type, have had loads of problems with the latter ones!

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Posted 29th Apr 2011 at 21:52
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looks fantastic mate Thumbs up

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Posted 29th Apr 2011 at 23:29
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I paid £80 for all the hose and clips etc.

How much did you pay for the proper ends birk?

I think jubilee clips should be enough to hold the hose on as its what we use on the airlines at work and they are at 90psi, which is about what 6 bar is.

I've just been out to try and start the car, its turning over but not wanting to actually start, i need to go out and see if theres fuel and a spark before i look into it further, i know i cant hear the fuel pump going Sad

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Posted 30th Apr 2011 at 00:48
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I've just been out and tested the car, i'm getting no spark and no fuel. I took a spark plug out, put the end into the coil pack and pushed the other end onto the cam cover, no spark. Just to make sure i tried it on another cylinders spark plug and same result.

The fuel pump doesnt seem to be priming either, i gave it a couple of love taps with the handle of a screwdriver incase it had seized whilst its been stood.

I need to have a search round on here but these problems are suggesting ECU to me.


Another problem is that the key seems to be flattening the small batteries on its own, i put brand new in a couple of months ago and nothing when i tried pressing it today, as a result when i turn the power on the lights start flashing and wont stop, theres no sound as the alarm siren has been removed and probably didnt make noise anyway.

The final weird thing, and i reckon its probably due to my killswitch wiring, when i put the key in and turn it one click, nothing seems to happen, no lights light up etc, then on the second click the dash lights etc kick into action.

I couldnt find which wires to the ignition switch were CC2 which according to the haynes manual would be the one to split for the killswitch, but it did say JN which is code for yellow, therefore i snipped the yellow wire and put the killswitch into that circuit.
Before i cut that wire i got my multimeter out and tested the three sets of wires to the ignition switch, the blue and red ones (from memory) only closed the circuit when the key was in the starter position. However the other two pairs closed i think on the 2nd click and stayed open on the first click, hence why i chose to cut the yellow one as it made sense along with the haynes manual suggesting that that one was the one to split to cut ignition.

To double check that the above is not the issue i simply connected the yellow wire back together without it going through the killswitch but there was still no priming of the fuel pump or spark Sad

I'm going to get stuck into the search feature on here to see if i've made a rookie mistake but if anyone knows what may be the issue feel free to post it Smile

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Posted 30th Apr 2011 at 01:53
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haven't read what you've done on the wiring in detail but sounds like a wiring issues between to/from the ecu? which then isnt powering the pump and coils. persume your not getting no power there atall?

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Posted 30th Apr 2011 at 02:02
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I didnt try my multimeter on the fuel pump's connector but dont think it is getting any power.

The wiring is mostly standard, i ran the live lead from the battery to the killswitch, then from the killswitch to the big terminal on the starter. Then i just made spur leads from the starters big terminal, one to alternator and two into the fuse box in the engine bay.
I checked the big terminal in the engine bay and it read 14V with the killswitch in the on position so i dont think its a voltage drop issue.

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Posted 30th Apr 2011 at 02:07
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Post #96
could it simply be the fuel cut of switch that has tripped( red thing on the nearside turret)
not sure if it cuts the spark though!!

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Posted 30th Apr 2011 at 04:30
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I tried pressing it a couple of times but it didnt make any difference.

I'm going to get some new batteries for the key fob and hopefully that will sort the immobiliser issue, and i've been doing a bit of searching on here so i'm going to check the fuel relay tomorrow. If needs be i can swap parts between this car and my diablo to find out what the issue is, hopefully its something simple that i've overlooked or something cheap to replace.

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Posted 30th Apr 2011 at 06:07
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Borrow robs ecu, then you will know if its an immob problem.

I paid £50, but i know him a little and blagged him LOL

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Posted 30th Apr 2011 at 14:24
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Well she runs now Big grin

A massive thanks to cooper for coming over and getting it sorted Thumbs up

The issue was that i had just left the old alternators wiring disconnected and wrapped up in insulating tape out of the way, this meant that the battery light didnt come on on the first click etc.
Once we tried connecting them both to positive feed the fuel pump would prime and we had spark.
From then onwards it didnt take much to get it started.

For some reason the stop light is very intermittently coming on, i'm not sure what the cause is as its got plenty of coolant, oil and brake fluid.

When i start the car up from cold the oil pressure sits between 4 and 5 bar, but once its warm it drops to about 1.5 bar, which i feel may be a bit low but could someone please confirm this, and if it is low, what should it be? It rises with the revs happily enough when its warm.


We noticed a bit of oil in the coolant, so i shit myself thinking it was the headgasket, out came the compression tester and all 4 cylinders are happily getting to 230psi.
The last thing i have done for the day is to put a home brew header tank on to the top of the radiator as if i'm bleeding it, put a load of coolant in it so the top layer was the oil part and used a sucker and some rags to soak the oil up, there was only a thin layer and i suspect that it may have come from the second hand heat exchanger that i used, as it was completely drenched in oil when it arrived, so i'm hoping it was just some oil which had made its way inside.

There was a couple of eric's happened today, the high pressure hose threw itself off the banjo when i was steering from side to side to try and bleed the system, the bloody fluid got everywhere! Doh

I had a couple of fuel leaks, in the end i sacked off the 10mm ID stuff and used 8mm for both, the plastic 45* connectors are both 8mm anyway so it was just a pain trying to get the hose onto the fuel rail.
The pressure regulator also had some sealing issues but they have been sorted with new seals now.

It starts first time now which is nice, but there is a slight misfire, i need to work out the cause of it but it may just be down to leaving the ecu disconnected and it needing to learn its new settings etc.

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Posted 1st May 2011 at 01:46
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The oil pressure sounds ok to me, mine runs just over 5 bar when cold but when warm a steady 1.5 bar so I'd not worry sounds about right going off what mine has always done! Nice project this it's been a joy to read, il look forward to seein u on track soon, well when I've got mine back together that is lol!Roll eyes

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