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'S 'cause he had to see you bladdock.

You should see a fair increase from loosing the cats so long as you do a decent job on the rest of the system.


If it is the multiplex then chuck in clio cams, decat, de-restrict the manifolds and get it mapped. Happy days!


I.E. Buy the clio engine! LOL

I think 220+ horsies should see his buggy happy enough as it is...

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Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 02:49
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Or whilst we're on the subject how about a bi-turbo engine from a Venturi Atlantique?

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Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 02:43
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How about a V10 BMW engine? There was one floating about somewhere Whistle

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Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 02:46
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No same bottom end. Different inlet manifold, throttle body, cams, heads, exhaust, wiring, cambelt, coilpack arraignment (iirc), water pump and tensioner (can be retrofitted to earlier).

Quite a few similarlities between this engine and the Clio V6 however. If you can find one then use that instead Wink

(Yeah forgot it was 194, not 198. Mine was 202 though Razz)

later engines had a form of variable valve timing.
A good 10bhp can be pickd up by ditching the 2nd set of cats.

My d8 is presently running at 210bhp.
But got a few bits on the back burner that should pick up another ten or so
Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 02:49
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DP engineering do a lovely turbo exhaust manifold for these if you are feeling very flush...

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Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 03:03
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adam b wrote:
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'S 'cause he had to see you bladdock.
I.E. Buy the clio engine! LOL

I think 220+ horsies should see his buggy happy enough as it is...


You should see a fair increase from loosing the cats so long as you do a decent job on the rest of the system.


If it is the multiplex then chuck in clio cams, decat, de-restrict the manifolds and get it mapped. Happy days!


I had a quick look for a clio V6 engine but nothing, judging by the price of the car there is no way you would get an engine for a decent price. Gear cables and linkages would be good though.

As we all know you will never have enough power but with a 2 wheel drive of road buggy I need to keep it tractable (not sure about that spelling) not power that comes in all of a sudden like a car with a big turbo.

Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 03:08
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The V6 torque curve's pretty consistant, IIRC there's a little jump in torque through the midrange @3-4k generally, but other than that it's pretty flat.

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Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 03:12
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"second set of cats" I take it thet those things just after the manifolds are cats then there are 2 cats along side each other just in front of the gear stick?
Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 03:13
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Yeah, there's a couple of pre-cats on the downpipes to warm up faster that you can see (EURO emissions tests for you), then a couple just after the joint in the standard car.

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Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 03:25
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It's the D9 plex engine, all these had it fitted, the engine's although looking the same are very much different, Head inc in that belive it or not,
You can get them to work but requires a few ££ as you need custom fuel rails and mappable ECU, Cheaper to use the D8 and it's more reliable, no coil pack issues and the D8's seem to always make around 200>210bhp, my old one did and that was std bar a Air Filter which helped on dip in the midrange.

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Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 03:26
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adam b wrote:
DP engineering do a lovely turbo exhaust manifold for these if you are feeling very flush...
i think its pug1off that also do a rotrex low boost kit for it
Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 03:31
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It's the D9 plex engine, all these had it fitted, the engine's although looking the same are very much different, Head inc in that belive it or not,
You can get them to work but requires a few ££ as you need custom fuel rails and mappable ECU, Cheaper to use the D8 and it's more reliable, no coil pack issues and the D8's seem to always make around 200>210bhp, my old one did and that was std bar a Air Filter which helped on dip in the midrange.


I am working on the figures "on paper" which is all I have to go on that this d9 engine has in standard form 10/15 bhp and more importantly for what I want 10/15 more lbs/ft of torque more than the d8, Yes I might have more problems getting it to work but with the complete loom out of the car it should not make any differance if it is all in the car shell or in a buggy space frame, it is a pain to have loads of wires hanging about not needed but unless I can get someone to make me up a "race" loom for sensible money that is how it will have to be, the same would apply to the d8 engine and thats how the MR2 engine thats in it at the moment is. I will have to re make the exhaust so whilst doing that if I can remove the cats and that gives me more power then that is good but not wanting to spend big money on tuning the engine.
How will I go on if I just make up my own exhaust from the manifolds, (I need to move the inner cv joint on the drivers side a lot closer to the diff but then it will get cooked by that big exhaust loop) will I need the 4 lamber sensers or heaters or what ever they are, and would it make any differance if I made 2 seperate exhausts (not linked) for the front 3 and rear 3 cylinders but keep them the same length.

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Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 11:09
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hows the mr2 engine performing ?
Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 12:27
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If your using the complete loom then you'll need all the sensor's, The D8 exhaust manifolds fit but I would remake the D/P as these are very restrictive.
I doubt anyone would make a Race loom, I know I wouldn't due to the amount of wires and the system going funny if you remove any, the D9 ECU must have around 150pins off the top of my head which sends info to the display for any fault reports even from the ABS system etc. Late car's too had other systems to boot so earlier the better

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Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 15:04
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You'll get a bit more power with a single exit exhaust over a twin - but only if the design/routing of the single is as able to be as good as the twin.
Should have a bit less weight then too, which'll probably be more difference.

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Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 15:50
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Slight tangent, but given that there's already an MR2 engine in there, I seem to recall (well, couple of mates who have MR2s were telling me) that there's a 200+bhp Toyota V6 engine, out of a Camry I think, that drops straight in to the MR2 engine bay. Almost suspiciously easy, fuelling rumours that Toyota had actually designed it to go in to the MR2 as well, but decided against it at the last minute.

Might want to look into that, cos it could be a much more straightforward swap than trying to make the multiplexed 406 engine fit & work..?

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Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 17:22
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Depends how well the gearbox stands up to it though? How strong are they?
The ML's a relatively beefy unit and there's a nice low ratio diff. available for it (to cope with the big tyres)

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Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 18:06
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Slight tangent, but given that there's already an MR2 engine in there, I seem to recall (well, couple of mates who have MR2s were telling me) that there's a 200+bhp Toyota V6 engine, out of a Camry I think, that drops straight in to the MR2 engine bay. Almost suspiciously easy, fuelling rumours that Toyota had actually designed it to go in to the MR2 as well, but decided against it at the last minute.

Might want to look into that, cos it could be a much more straightforward swap than trying to make the multiplexed 406 engine fit & work..?

Great minds think alikeLOL I bought a camry for that reason then decided it was not that quick and difficult to get a flywheel for but the main reason is it is a steel block so quite heavy, you can get the alloy block engines but much more money. still got the complete car so will be for sale.

My buggy is doing quite well considering (5th 6th and 7th overall at club events against some mega money vehicles) The problem is that I am using 27 and 29 inch tall rear tyres where as the MR2 uses tyres around 23 inches tall so it is very over geared, not going to start buying special gearbox's etc I will leave that to the competition who have more money than sence, I am having to slip the clutch out of tight turns often up to 8 times a lap! then the other problem is I am only using low gears and I get it on the rev limiter in first then change up to second and it is nowhere near where it makes good power/ I think this REV3 engine has 140 ft/lbs of torque and 174 bhp but does not feel like it. It needs more of both especially the torque to help out with the gearing, I did have a go at making up a low blow turbo for it but ran out of time before the last event of the season this is why I have gone for a V6 with more bhp and a lot more torque also if the gearing is still high I can use a gearbox from a Boxer van which is lower ratio.

I have the ECU with me, which numbers should I be looking at?

Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 23:15
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Just a few wires!

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Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 23:49
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Posted 30th Nov 2010 at 23:53
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Have a chat with noel at nur motorsport about looms and putting a camry in , instead of the mr2 lump

His current mr2 turbo project is having a v8 lump put in. Yes

he may be able to help you with a loom, has to be worth a try, Yes
take a look at some of his other projects aswell.

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Well after Me Tony and my Dad (team no bling) having a long debate this morning about wheather this V6 peugeot is going in my current buggy chassis or building a new one we decided to put it in the current one. The 3 of us set about getting the MR2 engine out which only took around 2 hours :-D then started on the V6 pulling off air con pump and a few other bits not needed.
It goes in not to bad at all, the only problems are the exhaust manifold at the rear will not work because of frame and suspension links are in the way, it would be fine upside down but the holes are offset so will not work, the other problem is the oil filter is in the way of the front suspension link so need a remote oil filter with the offtakes on the side and no deeper than 40mm, Any Ideas where the best place to get one from is?

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