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 yanni
Regular  Location: Thessaloniki Registered: 02 Nov 2006 Posts: 309 Status: Offline |
Post #26
Sorry lads for the delay i got a big project out of town and the week will pas like so. You know work is above all!!!I will be back for the Weekend and i will post a long and interesting update. The bodies are finished now and i am planning on fitting them this Saturday so..... Yanni. ________________________________________ Major stock holder of group P.S.A.I live to pay and support the French industry. |
 Posted 27th May 2009 at 23:06
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adam001
Regular  Location: Camberley & Loughborough Registered: 12 Mar 2009 Posts: 109 Status: Offline |
Post #27
Woo!! If you have luck I will probably try this on my own car.]Good luck chap |
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Posted 28th May 2009 at 02:04
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yanni
Regular Location: Thessaloniki Registered: 02 Nov 2006 Posts: 309 Status: Offline |
Post #28
Well thats the idea behind this project. To provide as much info as possible on fitting bike bodies on the XU engine. I know there are many debates about that but its good to have the picture of the procces and the possitives and negatives of it. The dyno will show if its worth the trouble. Yanni. ________________________________________ Major stock holder of group P.S.A.I live to pay and support the French industry. |
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Posted 28th May 2009 at 03:01
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adam001
Regular Location: Camberley & Loughborough Registered: 12 Mar 2009 Posts: 109 Status: Offline |
Post #29
Yeah I am really looking forward to the result.I have rebuilt the front end of my car and looking to up the power on the new 1.8 ally block. |
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Posted 28th May 2009 at 03:27
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taylorspug
Junior User Location: Haywards Heath, Sussex. Registered: 03 May 2008 Posts: 89 Status: Offline |
Post #30
Very nice project, funnily enough id been wondering last week how effective the throttle bodies/standard ECU combination would work. I will look forward to the results.Only thing I maybe would have done would be having some flanges tig welded onto the bodies and manifold and bolting them together, as from what i know the silicone couplers arent great for flow. ________________________________________ 205 GTI6- Ledas, Tran-X diff, billet 4 pots, big bar rear beam, Jenveys and Emerald.Black P2 306 Gti6- Lowered, PTS rear spoiler- the daily hack! |
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Posted 28th May 2009 at 19:06
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #31
They're fine for flow, the problem is they damp the induction pulses, which is what you are using for a bit of extra cylinder filling if the induction lengths are right.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 28th May 2009 at 19:07
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yanni
Regular Location: Thessaloniki Registered: 02 Nov 2006 Posts: 309 Status: Offline |
Post #32
There is a number of things to do to get everything to work better. What i do is trying to give the budget way of doing things. Bike bodies on the XU engine has been debated many times here but it was not clear what's involved to make them work or even better if its worth it. There is a number of things that i will change after the car is up and running but for the moment i am trying to see if it works on the minimum budget available.So far money wise: Bodies: Anything from 100- 250 will do (mine where 140) Spare mani 50 ( Everything i do has to be reversible god forbits if something goes wrong) High pressure hose 5 (you can do with Samco or simmilar but there is no point) Eight clamps 10 Treated wire and bolts 2 A botle of sillicone 5 And least but essential in order to work Custom plenum for the ICV and MAP 50 The above will be available to all of if anyone needs upon request after i finish and its proven that it works Finnaly cost of remap on RR All the above in GBP Thats basically all you need and i am not adding the cost of air filter as there are many choices out there. As you can see i am trying to keep money to the minimum. Yanni. ________________________________________ Major stock holder of group P.S.A.I live to pay and support the French industry. |
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Posted 28th May 2009 at 20:46
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taylorspug
Junior User Location: Haywards Heath, Sussex. Registered: 03 May 2008 Posts: 89 Status: Offline |
Post #33
Dont get me wrong, im not criticising at all! I see completely what you are trying to achieve, and agree there is alot of potential in what you are doing.  ________________________________________ 205 GTI6- Ledas, Tran-X diff, billet 4 pots, big bar rear beam, Jenveys and Emerald.Black P2 306 Gti6- Lowered, PTS rear spoiler- the daily hack! |
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Posted 28th May 2009 at 21:24
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rich_w
Seasoned Pro  Location: Havant, Hampshire Registered: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 5,412 Status: Offline |
Post #34
Looking forward to seeing this project in the flesh very soon Yanni  Keep up the ghood work  ________________________________________ Contact Details:rich@lynxpowerengineering.co.uk 07732 822546 |
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Posted 28th May 2009 at 21:34
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adam001
Regular Location: Camberley & Loughborough Registered: 12 Mar 2009 Posts: 109 Status: Offline |
Post #35
Well it's sunday, so bring on the updates :p |
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Posted 31st May 2009 at 23:42
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pedro_de_la_cruz
Seasoned Pro  Location: London Registered: 14 Mar 2007 Posts: 2,555 Status: Offline |
Post #36
just read this, sounds like an interesting idea yanni looking foward to some results re  ________________________________________ *R.I.P Pete Sims* |
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Posted 31st May 2009 at 23:55
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:: blade ::
Senior User  Location: Altrincham Registered: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 697 Status: Offline |
Post #37
cant wait to see this finishd mate, ive got some CBR600 TBs to go onto my 6 lump, so would like to see how this turns out and the power it will have ________________________________________ Black Ph1 XSi-6161.8BHP (Getting Better!!!!) |
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Posted 2nd Jun 2009 at 04:29
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ken
Senior User  Location: wokingham Registered: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 905 Status: Offline |
Post #38
great little write up mate im wanting to do the same.but how are you mapping it to the standard ecu?? thats what i wanted to do but got told i couldnt?? ________________________________________ Team Black Rallye xbox live - Xx 7 kenny 7 xX |
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Posted 4th Jun 2009 at 21:22
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lotek
Seasoned Pro  Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #39
Any news? |
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Posted 8th Jun 2009 at 00:06
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ken
Senior User Location: wokingham Registered: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 905 Status: Offline |
Post #40
I know your busy and all but this is very intersting. Lol. Sorry.The setup i have was the one bought off whiterallye its all ready to bolt on but i will need that custom plenum you mentioned. I will try and find the link a bit later for these bodies i bought, could you let me know if i need to do anything of this what you said? I wont need to do the manifold because there is a custom made one on there to fit to me car. Cheers mate ________________________________________ Team Black Rallyexbox live - Xx 7 kenny 7 xX |
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Posted 15th Jun 2009 at 15:30
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yanni
Regular Location: Thessaloniki Registered: 02 Nov 2006 Posts: 309 Status: Offline |
Post #41
Hello hello boys and girls. I know my thread was dead for some time now but work keept me very busy really sorry about that... Anyway back on track now. I have finnaly got my hands around the plenum i was talking about. At the end i made it my self so dont shoot me for any inperfections. I made it from brass wire and weld it with high quallity silver wire for more strenght. I went this way cos aluminum or steel was to tricky to fabricate at this stage. I know you all like shiney things so there it is.  On one side is the plate for the Stepper and on the other is the plate for the Map. While there i made the bracket for the throttle cable and gave it a first polish. I know the hole for the cable is not done yet!!! After the final pollish it will be srayed with clear coat varnish to maintain the nice shiney looks. Anyway the idea of the plenum is to maintain the Map and Stepper and i am just about to show you how.      I believe by now you get the idea. In this setup you can get away and save your money as you dont have to spend more on an aftermarket ECU. The standard ECU will read all the sensors as it should so after fittment you will need only a remap to adjust the air/fuel mixture as it will run lean. By now the bodies are complete so i have a fixed date to fit these on Monday!!! I wanted to do this tomorow but i have a very well known VIP member of this forum here (in Greece) and he is leaving on Monday morning so after i drop him off to the airport these are going in. I also made a nice blank for the center vents to host the oil presure gauge and air/fuel meter that i am fitting at the same time.  The gauges you see came of my old Audi and used them only to cut the holes. There NOT satying in there. Comments are welcome. Yanni. ________________________________________ Major stock holder of group P.S.A.I live to pay and support the French industry. |
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Posted 21st Jun 2009 at 01:40
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hovis16
Seasoned Pro  Location: Reading/parts for sale Registered: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 4,304 Status: Offline |
Post #42
Hurry and put them on want to hear these and see what shes putting out!  ________________________________________ Ph2 Black GTI 6!EX black 6 owner But now a Black caged rallye owner Hunting for Go faster bits! SEARCH click here |
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Posted 21st Jun 2009 at 02:15
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mark-house
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bury St Edmunds Registered: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,096 Status: Offline |
Post #43
So is the plenum fitted into where the injectors were on the bodies and are you fitting the 306 injector rail into the manifold as per standard?________________________________________ Peugeot 306 GTi 6BMW 320 td compact M-sport 1967 Mini Cooper 1990 Jaguar XJR 4.0 |
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Posted 21st Jun 2009 at 03:49
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yanni
Regular Location: Thessaloniki Registered: 02 Nov 2006 Posts: 309 Status: Offline |
Post #44
Thats correct you get my point!!!Yanni ________________________________________ Major stock holder of group P.S.A.I live to pay and support the French industry. |
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Posted 21st Jun 2009 at 03:50
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steve954
Seasoned Pro  Location: norwich Registered: 16 Nov 2008 Posts: 2,213 Status: Offline |
Post #45
rich_w?________________________________________ stevie09 308 gt140 cc 03 octavia vrs IF IT AIN'T BROKE, IT AIN'T A GTI6 |
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Posted 21st Jun 2009 at 03:54
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rich-6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bottoming out! Registered: 06 May 2007 Posts: 5,306 Status: Offline |
Post #46
i like the idea, good work.be interesting to se if theres any difference in spending a few thou on some bodies or a home brew setup. Something tells me there will be nothing in it, you seem to have done your research. ________________________________________ RIP Pete Sims |
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Posted 21st Jun 2009 at 03:59
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mark-house
Seasoned Pro Location: Bury St Edmunds Registered: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,096 Status: Offline |
Post #47
Haha you do realise you have probably just driven the price of second hand R1 bodies up  ________________________________________ Peugeot 306 GTi 6BMW 320 td compact M-sport 1967 Mini Cooper 1990 Jaguar XJR 4.0 |
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Posted 21st Jun 2009 at 04:16
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #48
that's already happened, can't find any gixxer 750/1000 bodies for much less than ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 21st Jun 2009 at 04:24
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yanni
Regular Location: Thessaloniki Registered: 02 Nov 2006 Posts: 309 Status: Offline |
Post #49
I dont know if i am the reason for driving the prices up on second hand bodies but for some time now i just wanted to give it a go. I know there are many out there that want bodies on them engines and the price just holds them back. I did a lot of search and research around that and i still dont see why it shouldn't work. For less than 400Gbp you get a nice setup that all it needs its a remap that you would pay anyway even if you use far more expensive solutions. On Monday i will know for sure if and how well it works and you will get a full feed back. Two thing more to mention: First for thoose (mainly Xsara owners) that use the late XU10J4RS multiplex engines (like me) you can get away even without a remap. I did a lot of reasearch and chances are that you dont need one. The late multiplex ECU has the ability to flex and adapt its function's around the bodies giving optimal air/fuel mixture without a remap!!! Citroes says it is possible we just have to wait and see. Second the plenum for thoose interested will be around 150 to 170 pounts once my project is finished and i will make a better one to see this week. These will be available to order upon demand and delivered as blanks to work on differend setups. Please dont send me mails JUST wet as i will start a thread on the For Sale section very soon to gauge interest. And another thing to say. Funds are in my pocket now so i took the desision to go all the way and soon very soon i will be ordering from Fastcarspares the Xsara WRC Kit-car body kit!!! After Birks 306 it seems that i can resist the thought Yanni. ________________________________________ Major stock holder of group P.S.A.I live to pay and support the French industry. |
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Posted 21st Jun 2009 at 15:22
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damien
Seasoned Pro  Location: kent Registered: 27 May 2005 Posts: 5,853 Status: Offline |
Post #50
im likeing the black manifold, it looks better than mine does. |
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Posted 21st Jun 2009 at 17:34
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